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cataleptik wrote:

perhaps it IS time to cease the pretense that the United States gov't as it has been has always done things in the interest of the public. It's a pretense, and certain people and powers have been protecting their RICHES OF AVARICIOUS LUCRE and their Jobs.


As liars.


It's american taxpayers who finance all this stuff...and when people are paying taxes for what they would NEVER agree with if only they knew...



that's taxation without representation, effectively. It's not fair at all.
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disgusted,

OMG...it's finally happened, Cat!...I actually agree with you on something!...amazing...I knew it was just a matter of time before SOMETHING clicked between us ...how about a hug?...oops...perhaps that won't do just yet, right? ...seeing how we've had such bad blood between us...then how about posing with me for this most important moment?...

Last edited by organic (2008-12-03 20:32:12)

cataleptik wrote:

I Thought You "light Workers" Didn't Like Tiggers.

I love all 'Tiggers'...thank you very much!...

Last edited by organic (2008-12-22 16:07:55)

cataleptik wrote:

so you agree that taxation without representation is unfair then.

what would propose WE do, since we both agree?

since we have agreed on something
we've probably agreed on other stuff but maybe you just noticed now.
I think that might be one of the features of ascension -- realising that we agree with people we thought we were against.  In this forum, it's not too late.. This is in fact one of the most logically-positive-future oriented internet zones that are...so what do you think?
Taxation without representation is no fun, BUT:it was happening in great britain.  A lot of people view any sort of taxation that is not voluntary as evil, ethically and morally wrong.  I know I do!

It's a form of slavery! 

Why are YOU here at this forum?  Anyway?

cat~

I see you have a new avatar, cat...is that YOU?...and an interesting website, too...not sure if I'd fit in around there...but looks like plenty of other people like it, so that's .

Yes, I agree that taxation IS slavery and a very outdated way of collecting money to keep America going...considering that the money is not used for what it's supposed to be used for anyway...

However, as far as solutions go...I'm way past promoting any viable 'forms' of taxation that COULD work...because the bottomline is this...ALL TAXATION IS ALWAYS WITHOUT ITS PROPER REPRESENTATION...I have yet to see any exceptions...maybe when man can get his act together with properly distributing monies then things will be different...but then again, man must first get his act together with ridding himself of the ugly beast called GREED...and good luck with that...but I will say this...to REALLY make things better for America and any country who is choking under the weight of its own taxes...I think the entire monetary must be wiped out and we need to start all over...and there are monetary systems that could work...but good luck with that idea because me thinks we're too far gone in our dependency on currency anyway...so in the meantime...people like me barter and function without bank accounts...we live off the grid...we choose to be somewhat 'invisible' so we can be left alone...we choose not to be a part of the 'system' anymore...so then we're not a part of the 'problem' either...

So you ask why I am here?...because this forum is a safe haven to come together and chit chat about a variety of topics with likeminded people...and I like sharing stuff about my passions like food and health...I don't like forums like GLP where I would be eaten alive...so I stay here...a cozy little pub around the corner and down the street tucked away and not like GLP...

Why are YOU here, cat?...

Last edited by organic (2008-12-22 23:39:00)

cataleptik wrote:

I'm not gonna "write my congressman."

I see we agree on something else, too, cat...I no longer do the 'write to my congressman' thing either...no more petitions...no more email campaigns...as a matter of fact...I'm done with the political process altogether...it serves no purpose for me anymore...hasn't made one bit of difference...and I prefer to use my time more wisely elsewhere...I DID at least get as far as voting for Ron Paul in the primaries earlier this year...but no more voting for me from here on out...I know I know...I hear it now...but if you didn't vote for Obama or McCain then you have no right to whine about change...well, all I can say is if I REALLY thought voting was the answer...I WOULD have voted...call me UNAmerican...but the almighty VOTE, like the American dollar...is dead in the water...but, hey, America sure did come together in November and that was one exciting party, eh?!...

Last edited by organic (2008-12-23 13:01:16)

“A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as ‘state’ and ‘society’ and ‘government’ have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame . . . as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else.  But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world . . . aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.”

Robert A.Heinlein
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the simple fact is, NESARA MAKES SENSE basically...and those who have denied it -- and who know what it implies and fear and hate it, do so because they fear being DEPOSED.  As the tyrants -- fake representatives of freedom -- that they are.  I mean Bush, I mean the FACT that Dick Cheney has served through seven presidencies...he has RULED for longer than any of the elected officials who are prominent now.  I believe he was on the battlefield when the U. S. S. R. was being expelled from Afghanistan, TRAINING Osama bin Laden!  Which is why he is named in point TWO of the N. E. S. A. R. A. agenda...

"2.  Removes US administration officials and all members of the US Congress from their positions due to their continuous unconstitutional actions.  Bush, Cheney, Cabinet members, and all members of Congress are immediately removed from office by NESARA’s public announcement; specific law enforcement personnel shall physically remove Bush government officials from their offices. These removals allow a fresh start at the national level.  Using the Constitutional Line of Succession, NESARA installs Constitutionally acceptable NESARA President and Vice President Designates until new federal elections can take place within six months after NESARA’s announcement."

Bush is an arch capitalist.

the FIERCELY NAIVE will expect that he will retire to innocent, white-haired-old-man status after the changeover (assuming Obama is not assassinated before his inauguration.  After Gore got ROBBED by kathryn harris and jeb bush in 2000 between winning the election and the various cheats implemented...)

ugh.

anyway...

FREE ENERGY?

To bring it back to the topic --
of COURSE the OPEC/Bush combination do NOT WANT people getting over oil. They are corrupt. Republicans...don't...like...people.

they JUST DON'T.  Plato stated his hatred for the Demos in the Republic and the Republican Party in the United States has gone on...Barack Obama is shocking because he has a domestic agenda that he totally and completely plans to implement  After eight years of Bush Administration adventuring and warfighting -- it's a [i]shock that there is a Domestic agenda at all. 

And so there are reasons why the Act has been strategically denied by the Bush/Cheney administration -- and there are reasons why we've ourselves failed to make it happen.  It's all about the self-cancelling contradiction...Republic is an inhumane and cruel way to run a country.  It was back when Greek women-slaves had their hair burnt for talking out of turn, and when the Athenian city-state was defended by slave-warriors abducted from their home country -- it has remained about the indifference of an elite to the human needs of those they were getting so rich that vomitoria were necessary...

in the shadows, the fact that most Americans have been CONDITIONED -- they have pledged allegiance to Republic and thus make excuses for the Republic even at their own expense.

It's not loyalty,  it's the behaviour of those who have been hypnotized as children,  before anyone told them what PLATO and his ilk thought of young boys (hit the books.  I find it too disgusting) -- or before anyone taught them what Republic meant or implied.

This stuff has not been questioned since the single digit centuries b. c.  You know what I mean?

Bush and his "team" are not smart guys, remember?
they are leaning on the intellectual achievements of Plato.  If the people who want NESARA really begin to think deeply then...all of a sudden  ALL  THE STUFF THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT will be on front pages and in mainstream media and we will be living in the new age.

I'm not waiting for "2012" -- the Catholic Church ERASED WHOLE YEARS in much the same way that Harris and Bush erased Democratic votes.   This may indeed BE the year 2012 -- although that's a topic for another thread.

Does anybody really know what time it is?

I voted for Stephen Colbert.  (just kidding.)
of course you had a voice.  that's always been the sort of stuff people who are way too proud of the history of the united states SAY to people...in effect trying to use GUILT as a tool to force people to do what they want.

you know:i am sincerely DISGUSTED today,
because i am a psychic astrologer.  been doing it since the early 90s
big deal, right?

i do my work with the television on in the background. i listen to live televised news. i LISTEN to the "guests" come on,  i can hear their agenda.  i know what they're up to and it's just...f*****g...sickening.  they know.

The NWO are Satanists.  they just are. Lying about what they are doing: lying about now, especially lying about religion--[i/]

they do it because if anyone does have anything really helpful going on religiously -- they HATE that.   they begin lying. it's like someone threw chum out.  in their minds:   LIES,  LIES, LIES,  LIES, LIES.  is it eight years of Bush?

there was a movie once with Arnold Schwarzanegger called "Total Recall".

All the people live on Mars and the government is despotic and secretive -- and one of their key plans for maintaining a stranglehold on the people is neutralising people like me - the psychics.

But of course in that film -- the psychics are disfigured genetic mutants -- not glamourous mutants like the illusion Halle Berry or Hugh Jackman put out in those films -- the mutants look more like the children who have been attacked with depleted uranium in Iraq.  But they are all psychic.


A lying government like the government in Total Recall HAD to neutralize the psychics -- the over the top bad-guy with Machiavellian goals reveals that neutralizing the psychics was part of their long range agenda at the end of the film.

i don't feel like watching it again but i might just look at it again just to watch the last half hour. some great performances...

and [i]that's what the United States government IS all about!  a constant stream of psychic deceit designed to put people in the hospital saying "aaa, aaa,i hear voices in my head, i'm posessed, i'm insane..."

most people haven't been studying esoteric astrology for almost two years. most people have the view- psychic phenomena are impossible or somehow connected with "goblins"  and the Devil.  They close their minds...and then as a result are sitting ducks for the sort of agenda of deception and real Evil Magic that IS the NWO's actual agenda.

the United States is NOT "The Great Satan"...but there are groups of people who are really devoted to neutralizing anything good about Spirit or Religion that there could be -- and they DO believe in evil, malevolent sorcery that undermines individual wills -- and lying about religion is what such people are just up to.

there are many names.  Anton LaVey.  Alaistair Crowley.  Others...Ozzy Osbourne,  he's just a rock star, it's all image to him.  But those called the Illuminati are devotedly ANTICHRIST...and using mental approaches to neutralize ANYTHING that -- they are "anti-Christ," literally.  anyone discussing anything healing or Good about "jesus" or any OTHER religious figure makes them react in a psychic way.


astrology is the LOGIC of the STARS...it's called that for a very real reason.

i sit here working on the things I work on -- and with tv news on in the background.
Live. On purpose. For the advantage. KNOWING which political officials -- and often, journalists and other public figures have  A HEAD FULL OF LIES -- and why, well,  the advantage that I have is just that, an advantage.

and, well...it's just disgusting.

There's an article floating around entitled "What Were Fort Bragg PsyOps officals doing at CNN?" -- well...

"your most trusted source in news."  "your most trusted source in news."  "your most trusted source in news."  "your most trusted source in news."  "your most trusted source in news." 

you get the point? 

There has been a sneaking, lying evil that has pretended to be kind -- that really hates children, good things happening and Human INNOCENCE...and it's really PARANOID because good things are on the horizon. It is vampiric...

Drunvalo Melchizidek talks about it at length in some of his writings.  There were "entities" that came to this planet literally from another dimension,  early in the development of life on this planet, long before basically ANY source of recording...there was no videophone or microfiche or tape recorder...

it was like one of the first environmental disasters, and things that just didn't belong wound up on earth and latched themselves on to the beings that were here -- and became trapped -- so to speak - in the Earth's magnetic field.  they weren't from here, and...

they HATED the beings that were here, hated them body and soul. They latched on, and some histories record them as "denial spirits" or "asuras." 


Part of what is liberating about the phenomenon called ascension -- and I love talking about this because in the last ten years I have been able to FEEL it as others have -- is that the planet's magnetic field is CHANGING.

As you know, probably, Earth or Gaia is CONSCIOUS, sentient in a way that is actually greater than its component parts.   She's ascending in vibration -- the resonance pattern is ascending in vibrational rate. She's LETTING GO of exactly those denial - based energies that have driven people insane for aeons,  since before recorded history.

a lot of people are going to become enlightened as blocks to understanding that they have had for lifetimes, millennia are going to come loose. the blow back is that a lot of the people who have been afflicted for lifetimes are in really bad shape.


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it'll be like paradise, in comparison -- as things get better...
it might even be alot like some interpretations of the time after "zero-point" of the Mayan Long Count -- people transformed on a level -- like they have been able to see how BEAUTIFUL Creation, Earth and people are after all...
it will be a lot different than the basic Nazi mentality of the current guilt - ridden United States...

every tribal culture has been assaulted by a mentality that JUST SAID NO to their natural rhythms -- it has turned out to be part of evolutionary pattern...but in the meantime...


Arthur C. Clarke, who wrote a lot of sci fi including (to get on topic) the screenplay to "2001 - A SPACE ODDYSSEY" has  a saying:  Any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

Maybe you don't use cellular phone technology.  A lot of people do,  though...and sadly and almost imperceptibly that has a real connecting link as to why something like N. E. S. A. R. A. is so little known -- and has been UTTERLY DENIED and covered up by the political leadership of the nation it represents.

ALL of them, honoring a Congressional Gag Order, in the ONE NATION known for freedom of speech and people feeling that they can say what they want?

"THAT'S JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORY!"

"Paranoid! Paranoid!"


later.