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Tsh! Tsk! tstan, you have obviously being spending too much time at GLP.... It's bringing out the old cynic in you

tstandamn wrote:

I don't even know what GLP means.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/03/29/08/pg1

I have seen the Disclosure Project many times.  Matter of fact, I have blasted the link to many people, hoping that they may watch it and pass it on.

I don't care to win or lose any argument, with you or anyone else for that matter.

You have no idea what I have studied, what I have read, or what I believe in.   

As for the "denial" comment...makes no sense.  Fact versus Fantasy.  Reality versus Make Believe. 

I gave the Capricorn and NESARA every benefit of the doubt.  Now, I don't even have doubt...I have certainty....THERE IS NO NESARA AND THERE IS NO HELENA.

As for all the loving people who pay attention to Lavar....well, they may be loving...but intelligent?  That is another story. 

I don't claim to be any wiser than the next person, but like I have said here for years....if there is ONE IOTA of proof for anything Lavar has said (lied about) or any evidence for NESARA...SHOW IT TO ME!!!!!

If there is anything the Hal has stated that has become a reality, SHOW IT TO ME!!!

Now answer me this...if there is no proof of any of this, where does the belief in these things stem from?

At least with Christianity and the Holocaust, there is a historical record and plenty of evidence to follow.  Sure, in the end, you still have to have a bit of faith, but for the most part, we can safely say that Jesus did exist, and Jews were certainly killed en mass.

But the Dogma behind NESARA and the Capricorn has no basis other than words thrown on the internet for people to read.

People are free to post whatever and however they please.  I am one of those people.  If people want to put something into the forum, they should be prepared to defend their stance.

Unfortunately this never happens, and people never stick it to those who continuously lie about things or give false hope to those who would be better off swallowing a huge dose of reality.

Example....For years "Helena" has stated the the resignation of our President and Vice President is the event that will usher in the "new era" and rescind the "shoot down" policy, etc.... When Bush never resigns, how will this be explained?  Hal will definitely have to do some back pedalling and figure out something else to make up for people to swallow.

If there were aliens on a ship with such advanced technology, and they could help us out, why are they choosing not to help?  They could simply fax Hal Fox some technology information and that would be the end of it.  As a matter of fact, since Hal is supposedly channeling Helena, why don't they simply funnel information to him through these channelings? 

There will never be any resolution to these fantasies, because they are only fantasies...they continue to thrive and exist because they exist in a land of "NO REALITY" and therefore can continue to exist without scientific foundation. 

Well, use the theory of Occam's Razor...the simplest explanation....Hal is only listening to the voices in his own head...created by himself.

The others are just making it up as they go along.

And by the way, if you feel the need to resort to rude ways, maybe you need to look within yourself to understand why someone like me could ever pull negativity out of you.  If you feel good about what you believe in, let it be. 

Personally, I don't like to see people being tricked into believing things easily discerned as pretend by a sixth grader.

Morontia!  Finally someone other than organic who understands where I am coming from!  Much love!!!

I wholeheartedly agree with every word of your post, it is as if you wrote exatly how I feel....so THANK YOU!!!

Your message of SIMPLICITY really struck the right chord with me....that is the key....

I know it is hard to give love to someone as evil as Bush and others in the Evil Empire, but you can't put out fire with fire.

I too, feel that on certain levels, 911 was an inside job.  Maybe not specifically ordered by the EMPIRE, but certainly the circumstances behind it allowed for it to happen...(CIA training Bin Laden, CIA interfering worldwide, the attempt to destroy the Muslim way of life, grips in the oil $$$, global control, etc.....)

As far as Hitlery (I like that)...I personally think it is going to be Obama, but the end result is obvious.  A democrat will take office and attempt to bring the U.S. back into the good graces of the world.  After all, the U.S. is already firmly planted in the Middle East, and regardless of whether we "pull out" or not, THE US IS THERE TO STAY!!!!

So we will have another 4 to 8 years of "life is good" with the Democrats.... until the next stiff-assed Republican (Probably Jeb Bush or some other Skull & Boner) will come along and institute the policies (war) created and decided upon by the CFR, Billdebergers, and other Illuminati controlled "future planners."

If people could see past two minutes from now, they would be able to understand how planned out everything truly is.  What will be the next phase?

Good to be back!

if you don't know what "denial" is -- if "denial" makes no sense to you, means nothing, well, i know that sophisticated robots that do bowel movements just like humans and vote republican and lie blatantly are now "on line" in the Western world and in the United States.  That's what the whole area of enquiry into secret programmes that you can feel free to deny like MK ULTRA and Operation Monarch and COINTELPRO, secret programmes made by secret fascist elements in global government which are REAL -- but of course need PEOPLE LIKE YOU.


People like you who -- when encountering discussion on the topic will step forward and ATTEMPT to draw attention towards yourselves while denying COMPLETELY the arguer and the argument -- yet while shedding no light on anything.

conspicuously - when people make a lot of blanket "there is no" or "impossible, can't happen" statements ==


they NEVER have any beauty, insight, or transcendant wisdom to share.  Just DENIAL.

No, can't happen, impossible, No, No, No.

as for "negativity" a lot of hip fourth graders know that negative and positive refer to polarities, as in electromagnetic energy or pars of opposites like yin and yang.

i totally can tell, anymore when certain sorts of people see something and just "get a bug up their ass" and want to deny it, out of loyalty to deceitful, fascist regimes.

sometimes they camp out where they KNOW such things are being discussed and "just say no" over and over.  for me that's a battle of wits with an opponent who has brought a teeny tiny little witbag to a gathering of true passionate intellectuals.

it's worth acknowledging -- ONCE.

and GLP?  that place that was mentioned? I used to be a member there. someone loyal to the forces of deception and tyranny and STUPIDITY, lying stupidity that have covered up and decieved in the name of "freedom and liberty ; but actually in the name of the owning classes of the planet, the few bloodlines of tyrants who have dominated Earth's politics for many generations --

that sentence was too long.  but i'm not sorry. i made the point....

Chump Cheney Chokes The Chicken While Checking The Children

the way I understand planetary energies as an astrologer, each planet's electromagnetic field has a different aura, and the planets bathe each other in each others electromagnetic fields, with different results depending on the angle that they are to each other (as in: a Star of David pattern produces one sort of energy pattern that can have certain effects on human mind and feeling, a Square pattern yet a different effect)...

when I saw the pictures of Saturn with the hexagonal pattern, I really wanted to know exactly what it was.  Are there beings "hanging out" underneath the atmospheric area of Saturn doing things at the pole?

because what I thought is:
in the last ten years a microwave and millimeter wave EM projector was built that is High Powered (in their limited view.)  but it's just BLASTING at the ionosphere, and I know those waves don't just "stop existing" once they get to the ionosphere, they keep going.

also, the Rumsfeld overseen and Raytheon built "Active Denial System" uses the same sort of ground - hugging millimeter-microwaves...the scientists don'tyreally know what they are doing to the earth's electromagentic aura and atmosphere, but they do know that the ice caps are being melted on purpose...they are Malthusians, they are Nazis.  Causing an global disaster and then saying it was an "Act of God" is the sort of plan that makes them smirk.




what Jupiter is saying in that cut and paste...that's...really scary...

and it's scary because the leaders of the military-industrial complex, the globalist NWO intend to use the brain-dampening weapons to keep people from getting wise, literally. Obviously it is to neutralize the effects of ascension.  which in the long run has no chance of happening.  But the years since 9.11 have been the short run,
and our calendars may be out of whack and the year 2012 as we count time might mean next to nothing, but our brains are a large part of how we communicate, and if they are really using this stuff, well, the --

it's so bad.


the stupidest and most brutal people are in charge now. i could be accused of blaming or throwing away my responsibility....our brains...

Last edited by cataleptik (2008-03-29 19:55:13)

the fact is that people's BRAINS AND NERVOUS SYSTEMS are under ATTACK.

the same technology is HEATING the planet -- as in GLOBAL WARMING --

on PURPOSE to create disasters.

you know -- when there is a natural disaster like last year's fires in california, and a state is declared a national disaster area -- people start generating REVENUE.

emergency services roll out.

in other words -- while there is a subconscious emanation happening that says 'DO AS THE GOVERNMENT SAYS. JUST FOLLOW ORDERS.  DO AS TOLD. OBEY, CONFORM, ACCEPT THE JUDGMENT OF YOUR LEADERS.'  it is NEEDED by the ruling elite because the potential for enlightenment of the masses is so strong otherwise.

In the Americas it goes all the way back to men like Christopher Columbus and Thomas Jefferson who took advantage of slaves and slavery to dominate and yet, because theirs was the dominating paradigm --

history records them as heroes. Not as men who tortured indigeony.  Men who were great leaders and heroes, credits to the human race, and not just skilled con-men.




--

speaking of skilled con-men  -- i really wonder if anyone here knows what
"reductio ad absurdem" means?

because it's happening now...and I like it. it makes me think of pretty librarians and socrates.

there ARE two camps -- some people don't even like to be identified by the term "light worker" as to us it is reminiscent of the Lucifer Rebellion -- the reason for the planetary quarantine and the default.  it will all work out "EVENT-ually"...

in the meantime, it's great when people say that they don't understand things rather than just saying that it's lies because it's outside of their understanding.  such closedmindedness serves the tyranny of waste and corruption that rule the planet currently.



a barrier to human cognition?  the High Frequency Active AURORAL Research Project

as in the aurora borealis
and also the auras of you and me.

and the constricting bands that Jupiter was speaking of --
perhaps. I am not an astrophysicist yet, although i may become one eventually.

cataleptik wrote:

speaking of skilled con-men  -- i really wonder if anyone here knows what
"reductio ad absurdem" means?

because it's happening now...and I like it.

Tstan and Cat are reductio ad absurdeming right now!... -

General definition -

reductio ad absurdum (n.) Disproof of a proposition by showing that it leads to absurd or untenable conclusions.

More specific -

Reductio ad absurdum is a mode of argumentation that seeks to establish a contention by deriving an absurdity from its denial, thus arguing that a thesis must be accepted because its rejection would be untenable. It is a style of reasoning that has been employed throughout the history of mathematics and philosophy from classical antiquity onwards.

Specific example -

The reductio ad absurdum is an argument form which works backward from an absurd conclusion to show that a premise of the argument must be false. For example:

Nothing can do what is physically impossible.
It is physically impossible for bumblebees to fly.
Therefore, bumblebees cannot fly.
However,

Bumblebees do in fact fly.
Therefore, either premise one or two must be false (in this case, premise 2).

***The problem with reductio ad absurdum(ing) is that no one ever wins the argument since the two party's differing perspectives are driving their own arguments...EGO also plays a part and hence this sort of argument usually ends up as nothing more then a 'tit for tat' scenario....but hey...the volley between you two is interesting anyway...(oh, and should I mention who I'm rooting for?......yep, I think you'll can figure that one out...Tstan may have left the forum for a while...but when he does post...he certainly adds stability and pondering to what is posted around here...makes us think...and god bless him for that!...)

Oh, and Cat...dump the green ink!...no one can read it 'cause it's a nauseating eye sore...

Last edited by organic (2008-03-29 21:15:04)

Anybody notice any similarities between the lunatic posts of cataleptic from Urantia, and our old friend vee-eight?

Hee hee hee.

Cat...don't think for a second that your posting has an effect on the reality that still holds true....there is no NESARA and there is no Helena.

As for MK Ultra and all the other babble you listed....well, stick to the topic of the thread.  No one has the time to sift through all of your non sensical babble anyway.

Your diversionary tactics, in this respect, are quite obvious and your ability to skate around the issue at hand is quite handy, but to me, all too transparent and obvious.

DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF?

NO.  Thought so.

Last edited by tstandamn (2008-03-30 02:47:35)

tstandamn wrote:

I know it is hard to give love to someone as evil as Bush and others in the Evil Empire, but you can't put out fire with fire.

I understand this intellectually.  I really do and I also understand that love drives out fear, but does anyone have any ideas as to how you do this?  How do you love someone "as evil as Bush" or worse Cheney and his forever curling lip.  Stuart Wilde said something years ago about evil people having evil lips and compared Cheney's photograph with Keanu Reeves, whom he saw as a loving man.

Is there anyone hear that truly does love Bush, Cheney et al.  If so, can you give me some pointers.

Amethyst

You can love him,
while recognizing that he's a liar.

Still, LOVE GAIA,

she will love you back, "long time" -- no joke.

and so there are choices, and well, choices as in WHO TO BELIEVE.

The Disclosure Project
and why Bush won't sign the Kyoto Treaty
by Bill Ryan

On Wednesday, May 9th 2001, there was held at the National Press Club in Washington a press conference with a difference. This was no fund-raiser, corporate initiative, or publicity-seeking media celebrity. Presenting to the assembled journalists was a group of over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses — some individuals clearly summoning considerable personal courage to surmount their nervousness — stepping forward to describe their own personal experience of the reality of UFOs, extraterrestrial life forms, and advanced energy and propulsion technologies now in the possession of secret groups operating within the US.

To many, such a claim appears unreal and deluded. But is it? Visitors to this site may by now be alerted to the possibility that all that is presented to us by the media, the government, and well-meaning schoolteachers may not necessarily be entirely as it seems. If the US government is capable of obfuscating the truth behind the Iraq War, 9/11, TWA 800, the Waco Massacre, and the Oklahoma City Bombing — and the list goes on, and on, and on — it may be appropriate also to suspend disbelief for a short while when we are assured that UFOs do not exist; that alien abductions are so much hysterical delusion; and that the very notion of secret contact having been made between extra-terrestrial intelligences and top-secret quasi-governmental groups is ludicrous.

So, before dismissing the notion out of hand, let's take a look.

The whole range of this huge subject is beyond the scope of a short article; and perhaps even beyond the scope of a lengthy book. Many good researchers have struggled mightily to come to grips with the breadth and intricacy of the phenomenon. Many conspiracy researchers, unafraid to enter into the hall of mirrors that surrounds the JFK assassination, steer clear of UFOs. But here are the bones of the issue, and the current state of play, in what may be by far and away the most labyrinthine, ultra-top-secret, dangerous and far-reaching game in town.

The May 2001 press conference mentioned above is a not a bad place to start: The hero of the hour is Dr Steven Greer, a medical doctor possessed with a drive few can match to reveal the truth of what he has been researching since 1993. There are many researchers in this field, but Greer's approach is different: rather than sit quietly and write interesting books which usually preach to the converted, he has assembled several hundred witnesses to what may be the crimes of the millennium ... and is marching them all straight to Capitol Hill.

The idea is safety in numbers. An embarrassing individual can be intimidated into silence — or simply silenced, if they won't silence themselves — but dealing with an intelligent, respectful and articulate group which has walked straight into the public domain is harder to deal with. Behind the scenes, Greer reports, Congressmen are starting to listen.

Greer states that he has recorded evidence from over 400 high calibre witnesses — most of them scientists, military men, or intelligence officials — who are sufficiently disturbed by their own consciences to have chosen to come forward with their testimony. The twenty who appeared before the journalists and cameras in May 2001 were the brave vanguard of the larger group, the majority of whom will only reveal their identities on guarantee of Congressional immunity from prosecution.

The best source of summary information of this collective testimony — and it's a fat summary, running to 570 pages — is the book Disclosure, compiled by Greer himself. Every citizen in the land should read it.

The book and the Executive Summary each contain hundreds of extracts from taped interviews with people such as these:

Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/ NRO Operative (ret.), September 2000

Dan Morris is a retired Air Force career Master Sergeant who was involved in the extraterrestrial projects for many years. After leaving the Air Force, he was recruited into the super-secret National Reconnaissance Organization, or NRO, during which time he worked specifically on extraterrestrial-connected operations. He had a cosmic top-secret clearance (38 levels above top secret) which, he states, no U.S. president, to his knowledge, has ever held. In his testimony he talks of assassinations committed by the NSA; he tells how our military deliberately caused the 1947 ET craft crashes near Roswell, and captured one of the ETs, which they kept at Los Alamos for 3 years until he died. He talks about the intelligence teams that were charged with intimidating, discrediting, and even eliminating witnesses to ET/UFO events. He talks about Germany's re-engineering of UFOs, even prior to WWII. He talks about our current energy crisis — and the fact that we haven't needed fossil fuels since the 1940s, when free energy technologies were developed — but have been kept from humanity. This is the real reason for the secrecy of the ET/UFO subject: "What the people in power right now don't want us to know is that this free energy is available to everybody."

Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunk Works, USAF, and CIA Contractor, December 2000

Don Phillips was in the Air Force at Las Vegas Air Force Base during an event when UFOs were seen moving at enormous speeds near Mt. Charleston, northwest of Las Vegas. In addition, he worked with Kelly Johnson at the Lockheed Skunk Works on design and construction of the U-2 and the SR-71 Blackbird. He testifies that we not only have these extraterrestrial devices, but have also achieved tremendous technological advances from their study. He states that in the 1950s and 1960s, NATO did research into the origin of ET races, and disseminated reports to the leaders of various countries. Mr. Phillips further states that there are records and filmed documentation of meetings in California in 1954 between ETs and leaders of the USA. He lists a few of the technologies we were able to develop because of the back-engineering of ET technology: computer chips, lasers, fibre-optics, and night vision.

Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.), October 2000

Bill Uhouse served 10 years in the Marine Corps as a fighter pilot, and four years with the Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB as a civilian doing flight-testing of exotic experimental aircraft. Later, for the next 30 years, he worked for defense contractors as an engineer of antigravity propulsion systems: on flight simulators for exotic aircraft — and on actual flying discs. He testifies that that the first disc they tested was the re-engineered ET craft that crashed in Kingman, Arizona in 1958. He further testifies that the ETs presented a craft to the US government; this craft was taken to Area 51, which was just being constructed at the time, and the four ETs that accompanied the craft were taken to Los Alamos. Mr. Uhouse's specialty was the flight deck and the instruments on the flight deck — he understood the gravitational field and what it took to get people trained to experience antigravity. He actually met several times with an ET that helped the physicists and engineers with the engineering of the craft.

Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.), September 2000

Colonel Williams entered the Air Force in 1964 and became a rescue helicopter pilot in Vietnam. He has an electrical engineering degree and was in charge of all the construction projects for the Military Air Command. During his time in the military he knew that there was a facility inside of Norton Air Force Base in California that no one was to know about. He heard that there was a UFO craft stored there and that people such as certain Senators including Bob Dole had visited the facility. Colonel Williams also relates another story that his father told him: one time, attending a dinner party, he had a conversation with a high-level RAND official who told him that the government was spending more money on antigravity devices than any other project in the history of this country.

A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000

A.H. has gained significant information from inside the UFO extraterrestrial groups within our government, military, and civilian companies. He has friends at the NSA, CIA, NASA, JPL, ONI, NRO, Area 51, the Air Force, Northrop, Boeing, and others. He used to work at Boeing as a surface technician. He was introduced to four-star General Curtis Lemay, and one day went to his house in Newport Beach, CA and spoke with him about this subject. Lemay confirmed the ETV (extraterrestrial vehicle) crash at Roswell. A.H.'s NSA contact told him that Henry Kissinger, George Bush Snr, Ronald Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev were all aware of the ET subject. His CIA contact told him that the USAF had shot down some of these spacecraft. A friend of A.H. who worked at Boeing was part of crash recovery and personally saw and carried ET bodies. A.H. says that a group in the FBI discovered that radar testing was causing interference with some of the ETVs and that this was what was causing so many crashes. He also states that there are underground bases testing and maintaining extraterrestrial technology in Utah (reachable only by air), Enzo in California, Lancaster/ Palmdale in California, Edwards AFB in California, March AFB, Eglan AFB in Florida, and many other locations.

The above is just a tiny sample. Read even with a sceptic's eyes, the claims are impressive and credible, and, if they are to be believed, of unparalleled significance. And the transcripts of the interviews make compelling reading:

Brigadier General Steven Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserve, October 2000

"One older officer discussed with me what possibly could happen if there was a revelation. He was talking about being erased and I said, ‘Man, what do you mean, erased?' And, he said, ‘Yes, you will be erased — disappear.' And I said, ‘How do you know all this?' And he said, ‘I know. Those threats have been made and carried out. Those threats started way back in 1947. The Army Air Force was given absolute control over how to handle this. This being the biggest security situation that this country has ever dealt with and there have been some erasures…'"

Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force, November 2000

"Now, I saw that! I don't give a Goddamn what anybody else says about it. I saw that on film! I was there! Now when the lights came on, Major Mansmann turned around looked at me and said, ‘Were you guys screwing around up there?' And I said, ‘No, sir.' And he said, ‘What was that?' And I said, ‘It looks to me like we got a UFO.' Now the thing that we saw, this object that flew in, was circular, was shaped like two saucers cupped together with a ping-pong ball on top. The beam of light came out of the ping-pong ball. That's what I saw on film.

"Now Major Mansmann said to me after some discussion about it, ‘You are never to speak of this again. As far as you are concerned, this never happened.' And he said, ‘I don't need to emphasize the dire consequences of a security breach, do I?' I said, ‘No, sir.' And he said, ‘Fine. This never happened.' As I started for the door, he said, ‘Wait a minute.' He said, ‘Years from now if you are ever forced by someone to talk about this, you are to tell them it was laser strikes, laser tracking strikes…'

"It's not a secondhand story. This happened to me. And I was a part of a United States Air Force cover-up for 18 years."

Greer is compassionate in his perspective. He does not blame or recriminate. He understands, and is quick to explain, that after the crash of an unknown extraterrestrial vehicle near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947, the military suddenly found they had a huge problem: how could they admit to a nervous post-war public, suddenly been thrust into a new Cold War with a new and frightening enemy, that the military had no control over domestic airspace; that they did not know who built or flew the alien craft; and that if the craft's builders had hostile intentions, they were quite unable to do anything about it?

Rather than come clean and risk panic — let alone risk the earthquake which could topple the edifice of Christianity and every other planetary religion — they opted for secrecy, which after the years of the development of the atom bomb was a familiar refuge. Greer understands that the problem the military then cannoned into was that — as many of us have experienced in our lives on one level or another, and who dares throw the first stone? — the deception, once begun, rapidly became impossible to reverse. If Greer's hundreds of witnesses are to be believed, in the years following 1947 the crashed discs (for there were several in the following few years) were dismantled and analysed component by component. Startling new technology was understood, centuries if not millennia ahead of its time, which in turn became a secret which could not be allowed into the public domain for fear that a unique opportunity for final last-ditch advantage over the Russians would be forfeited. And as the ETs themselves allegedly started to communicate with the American military — sources disagree about whether or not this was under duress — the secrets became so deep that they could not be told. Or, at best, it was another generation's problem.

So Greer's mission is not fuelled by resentment or outrage at the secrecy of the government, nor by the desire for retribution if US citizens have been killed to protect the great secret. Rather, he is concerned for our environment. As Dan Morris testifies above, the US has in its possession energy sources which are both non-polluting and cheap to the point of being cost-free once constructed and operational. Such knowledge, given to the world, would end many of humanity's problems at a stroke. Greer is again compassionate in his understanding of one of the US's motives for not sharing this with the world: that in the hands of the larger emerging technological nations — India and China, for instance — the US would in effect forfeit its superpower status within a small handful of years. Greer persuades his readers that this is a terrible dilemma for the US: either they give up their energy-based global supremacy, or the world goes to hell in a handbasket with all on board her and no-one spared.

It is the opinion of this writer that Greer, although his work deserves the greatest admiration and support, may not have a high enough confront on some of the realities of the situation behind the scenes. Hundreds of thousands of words have been written attempting to understand why Bush and the neo-conservative cabal will not sign the Kyoto treaty. How could he be so blind? So stupid? So short-term in his thinking?

Well: much has been made of Bush's intelligence, vision and thinking; but, to borrow an irresistible phrase, it's dangerous to misunderestimate someone who may be an adversary of the entire human race. Bush et al. may know exactly what they are doing. Many commentators have drawn attention to evidence — the kind of evidence we see on the nightly news — suggesting that the US would really quite like to run the planet. Much has been made of this elsewhere, including in the mainstream media, the latter particularly in Europe. It may be that the final piece of this jigsaw puzzle comes into view when we consider the possibility that the Kyoto treaty deliberately remains unsigned in order to maximise the problem we all face. Knowing full well that planetary oil reserves will run dry in our own lifetimes (and this is nowhere better presented than in The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight, by Thom Hartmann), the scenario may well be to let the wells run dry; let there be power shortages, epidemics, starvation, and riots on the street; and then roll out the free energy generators that they have had secreted away all this time ... with the US as the saviour, and also in total control of the big bail-out.

This also explains the anguishing personal testimonies shared by Free Energy researcher Wade Frazier and a host of others. He and many others conclude — and not totally incorrectly — that free energy discoveries (and some inventors) have been brutally extinguished by vested interests in the status quo of Big Oil. That may be true. But it's entirely possible that such discoveries, if they were truly to be introduced to the public domain, would kill off the world-domination plan. After all, there can't be an energy-based monopoly — and associated totalitarian regime — if the very commodity that maintains control (and energy is everything: food, water, travel, manufactured goods) is available alternatively.

   
To return to Greer, this is why he has an uphill struggle. He's not just trying to get a secret revealed; he's unwittingly trying to spoil maybe the largest scale plan for world domination that the world has ever seen. Do we need to take a look at this? We may ignore this at our very peril. 9/11 and Iraq may be sideshows compared with what is yet to unfold.



(Lavar if you read this, if you could query your contacts re: this article it could be elucidating for all concerned...there's NOTHING really more important than the Kyoto Accords and the Bali Protocol, that's our planet, our home, where we won't be able to live if devices like ionospheric heater HAARP and HIPAS go on heating the globe secretly -- on purpose -- which is WHY the United States Gov't said NO to the emissions requirements -- left ALONE against the rest of the planetary community in this regard. The sooner in general people come to an understanding about the cellular phone network, and how all those towers are being used to AMPLIFY the ionosphere-heating capabilities of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project GLOBALLY, the sooner Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Bush and their "acolytes" will lose the advantage of secrecy -- as well as the delusion that they are immune to the sort of censure that Robert Mugabe fears, and that took Mr. Alberto Fujimori out of office for ABUSE of POWER.  Thanx.  -cat ^00^

ROTFLMAO
Read it again Organic... that bright golden babe itself is 'escaping' from the newly dead body hanging from the gallows AFTER the body got it's 'payment' for it;s crimes

I am of the opinion that such an event (gallows hanging - after all the only Constitutional punishments allowed for treason is death by firing squad or hanging) is the most optimum, most efficient way to redeem USA's 'Face' in the world after what our presumed leaders did.