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cataleptik · 2008-01-31 13:28:34

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Japan Brief / FPCJ, No. 0803
　　
January 28, 2008

Prime Minister Fukuda in Davos Unveils Counter-Global Warming Initiatives

In a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda of Japan laid out on January 26 a set of initiatives aimed at taking leadership in curbing greenhouse gas emissions to counter global warming. They included in particular a proposal for country-by-country quantitative targets for CO2 reduction that includes all major emitters in a post-Kyoto Protocol framework, and a $10 billion financial facility to assist developing countries to promote emission curtailment which is compatible with economic growth. He also called on major financial countries to learn from Japan’s experience in the post-bubble financial crisis with the view to preventing a global recession.

The Japanese prime minister tried to take the opportunity of the gathering of world leaders to urge his resolve to make the forthcoming G-8 summit, which Japan hosts in Toyako, Hokkaido in June, an important step toward an international consensus on greenhouse gas emission curtailment after the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012. It was the first time that Japan came up with a proposal for country-by-country numerical targets, although Fukuda’s predecessor Shinzo Abe proposed at last year’s G-8 summit that the world should aim at cutting half greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

Each country’s reduction target, as proposed by Fukuda, will be formulated by adding up sector- or industry-wise reductions. It is not clear how obligatory the targets will be and which year will be the base line, but it is considered a major step forward for Japan, which in the past carefully stayed clear of the idea of numerical targets for a post-Kyoto arrangement. This means in turn that Tokyo will have to work hard to flesh out its proposed country-by-country target formula, including its own, if it is to show strong initiative as chair of this year’s summit.

Fukuda in fact had to fight to overcome strong resistance from domestic industrial circles to setting numerical targets. Japanese industrialists are unhappy about the emission reduction obligation imposed under the Kyoto Protocol on the ground that, given the Japanese industry’s emission-reduction technology and performance far ahead of the rest of the world, they have already achieved a high level of emission cuts and, therefore, it is unfair that they have to go along at the same rate as other countries.

In order to encourage developing countries, like India and China which are major polluters, to work to curtail emissions, Fukuda said in his speech that Japan would set aside $10 billion in an aid package to support their efforts to counter global warming, while pursuing economic growth. He also talked about a multilateral fund to be created with the United States and Britain for a similar purpose. He also proposed to raise energy efficiency in the world as a whole by 30% by 2020 in international environmental cooperation.

On the world economy, threatened with a looming possibility of potentially serious recession triggered by the U.S. subprime meltdown, Fukuda said that lessons of the experience of Japan’s post-bubble financial crisis should be learned, citing “a quick response” and “prevention of credit contraction caused by damage to banks’ capital.” He described the Japanese economy as maintaining a steady, long-lasting recovery, saying that his government would step up measures to make growth surer.

Media Say PM Ought to be More Straightforward in Presenting Japan’s Position
Major newspapers generally welcomed Prime Minister Fukuda’s initiatives for fighting global warming, especially his proposal for setting country-by-country qualitative targets for emissions restraint. But most editorial comments held that he should have been bolder and more forceful in making his presentation, which they said needed to be more concrete. (All editorials appeared on January 27.)

The Asahi Shimbun opened its editorial, saying “Prime Minister Fukuda made himself heard on world stage on the issue of global warming.” “There was persistent reluctance about a formula of country-wise numerical targets from within the government against the background of industry’s opposition. The U.S. government is also against it. Under the circumstances, Fukuda sent to the world a message that pushed Japan one step forward,” the newspaper commented. “Japan is set to assume major responsibility” in making the proposal a reality, it said.

The Yomiuri Shimbun wrote: “Fukuda presented an example to press his point home. If China, India and the United States had Japan’s coal thermal power generation efficiency, they could cut a combined 1.3 billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions—a figure equivalent to Japan’s total gas emissions for one year. Japan must showcase its superb environmental technologies and innovations to the world more than ever.” It went on to argue: “The Kyoto Protocol obliges Japan to cut greenhouse gas emissions by an average 6 percent from the 1990 level during the period between 2008 and 2012. Reaching this target is proving to be anything but straightforward. However, the wheels will fall off Fukuda’s vision if Japan cannot achieve this goal. As such, the prime minister should exercise his leadership skills and pull out all the stops to get all the domestic players on board so this pledge can be achieved.”

The Mainichi Shimbun said “the proposal for setting a quantified target for emissions cuts for each country represents a step forward compared with Japan’s past position that stopped short of such a formula.” It noted, however, that Fukuda “failed to make clear whether numerical targets will be legally binding, nor did he show the numerical target itself.” The newspaper welcomed “the proposed policy to transfer Japan’s superb energy-saving and other environment-related technologies to the rest of the world” in connection with the proposed target to raise the world’s energy efficiency by 30% by 2020.

The Nikkei said: “Regarding the prevention of global warming, (Fukuda’s speech) showed Japan’s basic stance and a path toward a consensus among various countries. The proposed assistance to developing countries, on the order of one trillion yen over the next five years, must be welcomed by them. Sooner or later, major polluters such as China and India have to be induced to cut back on their emissions. It is wise, therefore, to prompt them to do so with financial assistance as an impetus.”

But the newspaper was not so clear-cut about its evaluation of Fukuda’s proposal that pertained to a post-Kyoto Protocol framework for greenhouse gas curtailment. “Prime Minister Fukuda unveiled for the first time an idea to work with emission cutback on the basis of Japan’s proposal for country-by-country numerical targets. Seen against the Japanese government’s past ambiguous stance about such target-setting, this represents a step forward, of course,” it said. At the same time, it warned that “since it is not clear whether the target is mandatory or simply a goal to aim for, Japan could be suspected of being interested in a framework less rigorous than the Kyoto Protocol, a situation the country must be prepared for.”

(Copyright 2008 Foreign Press Center / Japan)

cataleptik · 2008-01-31 13:31:04

in a way it BOTHERS me to know what I know:

that there are people who are pro-disaster, pro war, pro global mass death -- "Malthusian solution" type people who have given up on human initiative and who actively believe that the best way to improve life is by the quick death of as many people as possible via global catastrophe. It bothers me to know that such people exist and are active in the world and who work to STOP new initiatives from developing, who work to stifle and sabotage peace activists and people with new ideas. But at the same time, IT IS OBVIOUS from looking at the way certain industrial leaders insist on using coal, oil and nuclear power even while switching to solar would be better for the planet.

cataleptik · 2008-01-31 13:42:59

every day, though -- and I became awakened to the possibilities of fusing Buckminster Fuller's ideas with solar technology since the 1990s -- many people have been aware for much longer - every day I look at that HUGE solar battery PUMPING super free energy that is simply being ignored.

i look at the possibilities for solar farming in the places in the desertified regions that are currently wracked with oil war and it makes me wonder: do the insane outnumber the sane? is THAT what is wrong with our world -- that insane people simply rule and would rather have waste and filth and war -- and that's just where things stand in 2008?

Because that's what's happening up there-- a powerful source of virtually free power.

and intuitively -- i am not an economist but intuitively i imagine that using the Earth's solar battery as a source of effective power would only be cost-ineffective to those who currently rule the planet.

as such, to people who were looking to depose those oil barons and military criminals, to begin to explore the collected data on utilization of solar power with a compassionate eye would be a really expedient tool. but we were saying that in the 1970s and the oil lobby countered with damaging propaganda that basically said that switching to solar from fossil fuel and skipping nuclear would be not cost effective.

To Mr. Shell and Mr. Halliburton and Mr. Sunoco I am sure it would not be. It would be the end of THEIR WORLD -- but the jobs created alone by the move to go solar would provide much more work for those who want and need it -- and the release of pressures on the environment as the world slowly switched to solar power - i can practically hear Mr. Shell and Mr. Halliburton saying No, No, it must be stopped.

it is as if they are - the Illuminati, those military families overseeing oil war and nuclear threat right now -- are afraid of the sun, again, like VAMPIRES are afraid of the sun.

and there it is.

it is because the basic form that is behind the so called Dymaxion sphere has also been called "Metatron's cube" or "the flower of life" -- and is the basic idea...

at this point it is almost as if "this is it" and that there is just work and arguing to do between here/now - american winter 2008 and that time when most people are getting solar power all year long via a coordinated system that powers the entire planet as the earth turns, day and night all year long and the use of noxious and dangerous fossil fuels is long in the past. The sun is ALWAYS ON and it's not gonna run out for BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF YEARS. (Unless Helene knows something Dr Hawking and I don't know.)

the age of aquarius. when it was hailed in the 1960s the powers that were (who mostly still are) turned with venom and firehoses and hatred on the people who hailed it precisely because it was the end of their rule, and it still is, and it is an enlightened time of hearts and flowers, spiritualized love and maybe most importantly intellect.

from stariq.com: "It is no accident that Pisces is associated with fossil fuels, such as oil. Until we develop new energy sources to sustain us, we will be forced to meddle in the affairs of other countries. If the promise of a clean environment has been insufficient to motivate us to change our ways, the constant threat of terrorist attacks should be. Among the higher attributes of Aquarius is a global intelligence capable of seeing far and wide. The current short-term perspective of American business and political leaders is a barrier to using this intelligence. Perhaps we have become sheep in the Pisces Age, relying on others to guide us to the Promised Land. Creating a vision of the future is the responsibility of everyone in an evolving Aquarian Age.

In times of stress, it's easy to become polarized and lay blame on one's enemies. It is tempting to draw a line and say that "they" are on one side and "we" are on the other. We can look at religious fundamentalists as remnants of another age that must give way to our superior modernism. Yet their desires and fears represent unintegrated aspects of ourselves. We have our own veils of materialism that keep us from seeing the humanness of one another. We have embraced the individualism of Aquarius without its equally important sense of community.

We are on the cusp of a new age, when the undigested elements of the past 2000 years float to the surface and collide with the unformed shape of the future. These are volatile and painful times marking the transition of death and rebirth that characterize epochal change. Whether one wants to return to the material comfort zone of the year 2000 or a spiritual comfort zone of the year 1000, the likelihood of success is small.

so what i'm wondering here, is are there people here who are ready to discuss the logistics of starting an international dome building program, start discussing the logistics of helping the geosphere, the Gaiasphere by beginning the switch to solar, instead of waiting for the Illuminati and Oil Lobby to agree and say 'yes, now is a good time.' they NEVER WILL.

they have to GO

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organic · 2008-01-31 23:57:18

cataleptik wrote:
We are on the cusp of a new age, when the undigested elements of the past 2000 years float to the surface and collide with the unformed shape of the future. These are volatile and painful times marking the transition of death and rebirth that characterize epochal change. Whether one wants to return to the material comfort zone of the year 2000 or a spiritual comfort zone of the year 1000, the likelihood of success is small.
so what i'm wondering here, is are there people here who are ready to discuss the logistics of starting an international dome building program, start discussing the logistics of helping the geosphere, the Gaiasphere by beginning the switch to solar

Absolutely...there are those of us on this forum who are aware of 'alternative' communities out there with the overall goal of living off grid...this has already been discussed...so I say whatever you would like to share be it geodesic or other habitats...share away!...this is one of my favorite topics...

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Christo Alado · 2008-02-01 04:12:24

There's way too many Zero Point Energy devices which can run 24/7/365, require very little space to set up and operate in and are comparatively very inexpensive to solar. A solar panel's service life is around twenty five years at best and the batteries required for such systems have a service life of about five years. Think ZPE.

The average price for a ZPE device that will power an average home; less than $2,500.00
The average price for a solar system that'll match the ZPE's performance; $25,000.00

Big oil companies like British Petroleum are investing in solar technologies because it is very profitable FOR THEM... and not so much for the average person.

I pay an average of $50.00 a month for electricity which figures to $600.00 a year, so in forty years I would've spent $24,000.00. A solar system over a forty year period would require at least one panel array replacement and somewhere in the neighborhood of seven battery bank replacements... so there certainly is no monetary savings with solar and the manufacturing of solar systems isn't exactly 'Gaia friendly'. Just sayin' is all.

Lilith · 2008-02-01 05:01:29

Alado,
I like the ZPE idea and $2500.00 is very much acceptable for our budget, where do I buy? Thank you!

Jaya · 2008-02-01 09:34:49

The I - Inter-Covenantal P - Panel C - Climate C - Change _ IPCC [and finally(on/in the last ours)confirmed by USA]_RAPPORT at BALI recently declares 'Every one, has do now something on Climate -Change, IT CAN BE TO LATE , Already???? and we ALL must do our best NOW!!!! etc. etc...

I'm IN_development for such a process by an International Milieu Centre 'Radharani',
like you all as well can do something on it and like you all, also are welcome with me - Radharani -

The Intension IS....to start it at Vancouver(Canada) - while I'm starting as/with a small dependence at Rotterdam/Holland, right now.

To gather we can also go for example for the (Al Gore)Richard Branson Climate Change-prize _
25 miln.dollar - deadline/closing date 2010.

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cataleptik · 2008-02-01 13:41:32

Christo Alado wrote:
There's way too many Zero Point Energy devices which can run 24/7/365, require very little space to set up and operate in and are comparatively very inexpensive to solar. A solar panel's service life is around twenty five years at best and the batteries required for such systems have a service life of about five years. Think ZPE.

The average price for a ZPE device that will power an average home; less than $2,500.00
The average price for a solar system that'll match the ZPE's performance; $25,000.00

Big oil companies like British Petroleum are investing in solar technologies because it is very profitable FOR THEM... and not so much for the average person.

I pay an average of $50.00 a month for electricity which figures to $600.00 a year, so in forty years I would've spent $24,000.00. A solar system over a forty year period would require at least one panel array replacement and somewhere in the neighborhood of seven battery bank replacements... so there certainly is no monetary savings with solar and the manufacturing of solar systems isn't exactly 'Gaia friendly'. Just sayin' is all.

I think maybe BPE gets involved a wee bit with solar and sustainable architecture

just to make it seem like they are doing something, and meanwhile, the oil keeps flowing...

as far as the life of solar panels...

part of the seeming lack of cost effectiveness is because they have refused to get a lot of minds involved in solar architecture. were there many different minds involved in the engineering of said products more efficient methods of developing batteries and stuff would happen.

i think it must be stressed that they do NOT WANT solar architecture developed.

there is a long range secret plan of using oil until it is down to the dregs, and creating global crisis.
remember, anyone the "oil crisis" of the Ford - Nixon years? was there somehow LESS OIL than there is now?

there has been a lot of arguing, and I am so sure that going solar is earth friendly that I'm basically just going to huddle up with the people who can see that it needs to be developed until it's as perfect as it can be, so that fossil and nuclear can be abandoned, sooner than later. that's just how it is for me, but if people want to show statistics, specs, lab reports, I am always ready to learn. I just look in the sky and see an inexhaustible battery, and I look at the news and see people fighting and killing over an inefficient and unsustainable and overpriced commodity -- and muezzins driving cadillacs and "Ford" motor vehicles encrusted -- no lie -- in DIAMONDS

And as for your logic and your forty year period -- it assumes that new levels of efficiency would not be reached one, three, five years into your forty year period. doubtless if large numbers of serious people working in separate groups around the world were working dilligently to create solar alternatives, in three years what you could get would be more efficient than it was when you started, and on to free energy.

really it's paradigmmatic...people are used to the old method of having to be enslaved to get anything.

that has never been Gaia's way. she never charges -- that has been the slavemaster's way, the way of tyranny that the sanest people are in the position to put an end to once and for all, PRECISELY so that everyone can have free energy, and it can be free, as in: making slave labour obsolete once and for all. I am even going to look and see if I can find some quotes from Helena and L.'s conversations to corroborate what I mean...if you started with simple solar shingles today and NO ONE ELSE WAS ALONG WITH YOU, yeah, in forty years your math might be the same. But at Bali the people were clamoring for something that entire nations could use to reduce their emissions, and as such those are the levels that must be realistically thought about -- entire nations benefitting and oil concerns being MOTHBALLED -- put out of business forever. the end of petrol and nuclear, the end of fossil fuels, not just a stopgap.

cataleptik · 2008-02-01 13:44:10

Jaya wrote:
The I - Inter-Covenantal P - Panel C - Climate C - Change _ IPCC [and finally(on/in the last ours)confirmed by USA]_RAPPORT at BALI recently declares 'Every one, has do now something on Climate -Change, IT CAN BE TO LATE , Already???? and we ALL must do our best NOW!!!! etc. etc...

I'm IN_development for such a process by an International Milieu Centre 'Radharani',
like you all as well can do something on it and like you all, also are welcome with me - Radharani -

The Intension IS....to start it at Vancouver(Canada) - while I'm starting as/with a small dependence at Rotterdam/Holland, right now.

To gather we can also go for example for the (Al Gore)Richard Branson Climate Change-prize _
25 miln.dollar - deadline/closing date 2010.

oh, i wish you'd add some details about what you mean. this is the most important thing and we can't wait for the NWO to do something -- they've made up their minds and their answer is no...
i'm personally working on an X prize proposal, but with no intention of winning. just showing them all up with sustainable thinking.

but what is going on at Vancouver>? do you have links, or anything like that? is it a factory, a design lab, a think tank? are you working with geodesics, or some other structural foundation????
???
??
?

cataleptik · 2008-02-01 14:17:46

"ADVISORY: With any technology, you take a high risk to invest significant time or money unless (1) independent testing has thoroughly corroborated the technology, (2) the group involved has intellectual rights to the technology, and (3) the group has the ability to make a success of the endeavor."

http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Employment/

cataleptik · 2008-02-01 14:19:41

BBC NEWS
'Crunch time' for climate change
The Bali conference was called to draft a follow-up to Kyoto
Leaders' speeches
United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has opened high-level talks at the climate change conference in Bali with a call to action.

He said that if no action were taken, the world would face impacts such as drought, famine and rising sea levels.

Delegates are hoping to agree a "Bali roadmap" leading to further cuts in greenhouse gas emissions when the Kyoto Protocol targets expire in 2012.

The US and Canada are among countries opposed to further binding targets.

The UN itself wants developed countries to commit to cuts of 25-40% from 1990 levels by 2020.

'No plan B'

"We gather because the time for equivocation is over," said Mr Ban.

"Climate change is the defining challenge of our age. The science is clear; climate change is happening, the impact is real. The time to act is now."

I do not need a paper from Bali in which we only say 'OK, we'll meet again next year again'
Sigmar Gabriel, German Environment Minister
The newly-elected Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd handed documents to Mr Ban confirming his government's ratification of the Kyoto Protocol.

"The community of nations must reach agreement," he told delegates.

"There is no plan B; there is no other planet any of us can escape to."

The Australian decision leaves the US as the only industrialised nation outside the Kyoto process.

Security at the summit was enhanced because of the car bomb attack on UN premises in Algeria, which left at least 26 people dead.

Replacing Kyoto

Negotiators have been trying to map out a two-year process that would result in a further set of emissions cuts to replace the current Kyoto Protocol targets.

Broad building-blocks have already been agreed, but much of the detail remains contentious, in particular how much weight to give to the heavy emissions cuts recommended by the UN's panel of scientists.

In a major assessment this year, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has concluded that emissions should peak and begin to fall within 10-15 years in order to avoid damaging impacts.

While acknowledging the science, the US argues for voluntary agreements rather than a global system of binding cuts, and argues that the text coming from the Bali conference should not contain numerical targets.

"We want to launch a process that is open and does not predetermine or preclude options," Under Secretary of State Paula Dobriansky told reporters.

Germany's Environment Minister Sigmar Gabriel issued a sharp rebuke to the US position.

"I do not need a paper from Bali in which we only say 'OK, we'll meet again next year again', he said.

"How can we find a roadmap without having a target, without having a goal?"

Protection agreed

There has also been debate about adaptation - how to help developing countries protect their societies and economies against the worst impacts of climate change.

Studies indicate that the sums needed run into tens of billions of dollars per year, but funds committed so far amount to tens of millions of dollars.

"The main issue we've been trying to get across is that climate change is already hitting the poorest - it's not something for the future, it's something that's happening now," said Andy Atkins from the development charity Tearfund.

Mr Atkins said that in Niger, farmers have seen a rainy season shrink from three months each year to just six weeks.

"People in Bali are accepting adaptation will have to be part of a deal," he said. "But it's no good accepting that something is a big problem and then failing to do anything about it."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/s … 139676.stm

Published: 2007/12/12 03:04:42 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

cataleptik · 2008-02-01 14:27:07

i've got to point it out -- the new age may become the age of the grand unified theory...

it is a little-realised fact that one main cause of global warming is some of the "testing" and "research" that the NWO are doing on the atmosphere -- which is a major part of WHY the United States rejected pretty much the rest of the world's terms as far as climate was concerned at Bali last December:

many people have heard of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project or HAARP. They have not generally heard abot HIPAS
which is far more powerful according to few reports, but both aree HEATING THE IONOSPHERE...
on PURPOSE.

Most people just don't know anything if it is not reported on the majors, eh? HIPAS is alot like HAARP and it reportedly hits the lower atmosphere with somewhere between gigawatts and terrawatts of microwave energy, HEATING the ionosphere and therefore the globe...

why would the NWO heat the planet on purpose?

because they are INSANE. That could be an answer!

this is one of the things that is "too evil to be believed."

organic · 2008-02-01 15:09:25

I would like to propose that we not limit ourselves (humanity) too much with all those tangible energy devices out there that may very well help us...I'm not saying anything is wrong with these devices...many of which were discovered long ago and are now located at the bottom of the basement of the FBI building in row 7 slot 63...(Mulder and Scully know where they are!...)

Instead I would like to propose that we learn what is already found WITHIN EACH OF US...the god given power and abilities to CREATE energy sources from energy that IS all that IS anyway and IS everywhere...fine tuning this capability is quite doable and is already being done on this planet by those who are at a level of consciousness to CREATE anything that is needed and desired to survive...food/water/habitats/heat/power/yada yada yada.

What I'm saying is that you don't need to wait for any energy devices/sources to make your life more efficient...look within and learn HOW to do this...and you will see that you can create EVERYTHING you need...I realize this may be a HUGE leap of faith and for some people I may sound like a kook...but the power to create energy sources etc. is already within YOU...FOR YOUR VERY BEING/BODY IS AN ENERGY SOURCE AND IS AN EXCELLENT CONDUIT FOR OTHER THINGS YOU NEED TO CREATE SO YOU CAN TRULY LIVE AN ABUNDANT LIFE!......(no matter what 'limitations' you think are going on around you)...

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cataleptik · 2008-02-01 15:27:02

people are at different levels of evolvement, what you say
it's okay with me. where I am at right now is refusing to ignore the many people who are too disadvantaged and oppressed by things and circumstances truly beyond their control to fight for their own freedom.

at the very same time i know that there are people that hope that most others will "not care" and allow the situations to stay bad. exactly what you suggest means to me that if there is all that potential within us, the "kingdom of heaven" as has been said, then why not use that energy to MAKE the world a better place.

i have heard many new agey excuses for not tackling the problems of the world head on: the climate change meetings in december were a direct call to ME as have been many other things, saying that helping the world get to a transitional place has to do with taking human responsibility so that the children can grow up without fear of war.

the climate change problems are directly connected to the enforced delusion that fossil fuels must be used up until they are exhausted.

if i turn inward i see that there is an outside world, that's the yin and yang of it.

in addition: the existing regimes have all manner of tyrannical dirty tricks going on, and being realistic means to me that if i have the energy within myself to be a conduit for cosmic energy -0- as many masters and realised people have taught for millennia --

than that starts with intelligence and compassion, and those are the only real barriers to getting control of the power mad who are violating the environment.

some people do take a metaphysical view that the body, the physical are illusions. that's fine, for them. i imagine they won't be getting involved in any movements to fix problems and to stop the despoilation of the environment.

i wonder if people see efforts to fix the problems with the way that military industrial government treats the planet as a threat? doubtless mr. shell and mr halliburton see them as a threat but that's to be expected: they are fascism. but how could people using the endless reservoirs of potential in themselves -- and applying that energy to solve the problems --

really, how could that be wrong in any way?

i do not ascribe to the philosophy that teaches that the body is illusion and only spirit is real..i have seen a whole bunch of stuff about that lately, and wonder where it comes from.

i recognize the wisdom in what you say about the body as conduit. that is the source of reiki as well as the healing energy attributed to the christ and all true great faith healers of time.

at the same time...well, if you look at America's major cities, they are filthy and disgusting and they are also self perpetuating systems that continue to create filth...they will change somehow -- they will be annihilated by war, they will be eroded and annihilated by climate change unchecked -- OR they will be rehabilitated by human will.

the first two choices seem like doing nothing...

organic · 2008-02-01 17:05:03

cataleptik wrote:
people are at different levels of evolvement, what you say
it's okay with me. where I am at right now is refusing to ignore the many people who are too disadvantaged and oppressed by things and circumstances truly beyond their control to fight for their own freedom.

Just thoughts I know to be true that I wanted to share...so if it resonates with anyone...fine...if not...just tuck it away...

Christo Alado · 2008-02-01 20:02:36

organic wrote:
cataleptik wrote:
people are at different levels of evolvement, what you say
it's okay with me. where I am at right now is refusing to ignore the many people who are too disadvantaged and oppressed by things and circumstances truly beyond their control to fight for their own freedom.
Just thoughts I know to be true that I wanted to share...so if it resonates with anyone...fine...if not...just tuck it away...

ditto that.

genniii · 2008-02-01 20:26:53

Christo Alado wrote:
organic wrote:
cataleptik wrote:
people are at different levels of evolvement, what you say
it's okay with me. where I am at right now is refusing to ignore the many people who are too disadvantaged and oppressed by things and circumstances truly beyond their control to fight for their own freedom.
Just thoughts I know to be true that I wanted to share...so if it resonates with anyone...fine...if not...just tuck it away...
ditto that.

ditto that

Christo Alado · 2008-02-01 20:37:40

Since I wrote that reply concerning ZPE, I have found some exellent information regards inexpensive solar panel technology; please read the following links...

http://www.enn.com/top_stories/article/28057 & http://www.enn.com/energy/article/24430

Jaya · 2008-02-02 10:54:11

cataleptik:

UN[ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) ] is more correct.

I'm working on a plan, don't know yet, if society of Rotterdam(Holland) will honoured it(I'm waiting RIGHT NOW, for there answer), but any way also with the Rotterdam Milieu(anti co2) Foundation_
www.owaze.nl.

So Dear beloved Friend 'cataleptik',

We are still planning such an International Milieu Centre, and because we are also planning co-operation with a few Aliens, it will be as well 'An Embassy for Aliens' and throughout several Milieu Foundations like as Owaze_Nl., we got already several concepts, plans, designs etc. on video and films, as well several foreigners organisations for cooperation, like for example NESARA.

What we lacking is, the right devotees to build the first Alien-Embassy in the Here and Now in Holland[so we will keep it with just 'a small dependence'] while we are more for sure with NESARA_Salt Lake City(USA) and NESARA_Vancouver(Canada).

NESARA_Salt Lake City(USA) is working already on such a identical-plan practically(advices and promising by at least to Alien-members for advices/help) and also by there (almost yearly?)returning International Scientific Milieu Seminars.

While in NESARA_Vancouver(Canada) they start witch the UFO-building for 200 passengers, and to, which is to me the highest result of the climate change, milieu-credits and while I would suggest this mega_Space Shuttle to call it " the International Milieu Centre 'Radharani' ".

See also.... www.earthship.com / (Rotterdam Stichting OWAZE - www.owaze.nl)

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