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Sotapanno · 2007-12-10 17:55:43

Lofty just recently asked about the prosperity packets and such, and as chance has it got this very long email explaining this NESARA business. Thought I'd post it here as a reminder of sorts, and of course for your personal discernment (believe it ... or not).

BTW: There is a factual error in explaining the 9/11 event ... it says a 747 crashed into the TWC ... the jets were both 757's ...

Now here the email message I received ....

Dear ones,

As outrageous as this lengthy message sent me by my friend Milson from Canada may seem, it will soon be revealed to be the truth! For those of you who are in the Prosperity programs, there is much background info that you should know about, if you do not already. And for those of you who are on the "gifting lists" it will provide some excellent clarification.

As all of you are aware, we are on the brink of some major changes in our world and many of the details are provided in this report. I would suggest you may with to print this message, read it at your leisure when you have time to absorb it and then stay the observer as you watch this whole scenario play out and play out it is, as you read this.

TOGETHER WE HAVE HEALED OUR WORLD WITH OUR KNOWLEDGE, LOVE, COMPASSION, FORGIVENESS AND MOST OF ALL OUR INTENT!

St Germain, NESARA and all that ………..

CHANGE IS ON THE HORIZON

The story of how this change will occur, takes us back to Tudor England. There was an enigmatic character by the name of Saint Germain. He learned the secrets of alchemy by studying ancient esoteric knowledge into the occult he was literally able to turn lead into gold, rocks into diamonds, and later was able transmute his mortal body into a immortal angel conquering death itself. With his "elixir of life" and positive thinking he never aged at all. According to Germain "It is the activity of our nerves, the flame of our desire, the acid of our fears, which daily consume our organism. He who succeeds in raising himself above his emotions, in suppressing in himself anger and the fear of illness, is capable of overcoming the attrition of the years and attaining an age at least double that at which men now die of old age."

Comte de Saint Germain

"A man who knows everything and who never dies," - Voltaire

Comte de Saint Germain was noted for rubbing elbows with the monarchies. Many of which commented on his elaborate shoes stubbed with $40,000 diamonds and pearls. No one knew the source of his income. Then around 1727 he shared his secret money making techniques to certain German bankers in hopes that they would use the money to help humanity. Using his techniques, they along with the monarchies choose to squander the money for themselves. Even to this day, these bankers have continued to keep this knowledge secret.

Eventually Saint Germain realized the money was never going to be used for benevolent purposes so he pulled his money out and in 1729 he put it into his own "World Trust." At the founding of the trust it was stipulated that this money would be released in the year 2000.

Bank Roll Programs

Around the turn of the century, the children of robber barons, and "banksters" began to see the error in their parent's evilness and their use of wealth. These 100 children are known as "wealthy visionaries". Together they invested some of their families money into secret money roll programs, to be used for humanitarian purposes.

The bank roll programs, allow wealthy investors to make insane profits by ripping off the assets and resources from third world nations. The profits from these programs are utterly astronomical as monthly returns can be in excess of 1:100,000 and 1:500,000. The name "roll programs" comes from a method of rolling money over and over in short periods of time. At the end of each cycle investors then reinvest or "roll" the principle and interest earned over into the next cycle. In the late 1990's the bank roll programs finally ceased.

Money earned from these bank roll programs became known as the "Prosperity Programs" Over time the programs were secretly opened up to small investors so that one could invest as little as one hundred dollars at a time. These small amounts were handled by trustees, who collected the money and kept records, and combined the small investments into the large amount, let's say, one million dollars, that was required in order to enter a "roll".

The news of these programs spread by word of mouth and especially via multi-level marketers. Thousands of people invested and great wealth was generated, but little, if anything was ever paid back to the investors. Trustees such as Clyde Hood and Mike Kodaski were sent to jail under false charges. Then corruption, greed, and fraud became wide spread among the bankers, government, and even some trustees who wanted to steal the money for themselves. Even the Bush family had their hands in the pot, using Promis Software they could transfer stolen funds without being traced. Many have died because of this wealth, but God has another plan for humanity.

The time has now come to release these Prosperity Funds and the funds from Saint Germain's World Trust. This money will be used to buy out all oil corporations, banks, pharmaceutical cartels, and zero out all debt. 250 years of compound interest has mushroomed the World Trust into a net worth in excess of one quattuordecillion dollars, or $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000. That's 1 with 40 zeros behind it. This is enough money to buy a gold cube the size of the orbit of Saturn. So astronomical most people will not believe it!

The money from the World Trust will be distributed in the following manner.

Level One -- World Trust. This is under the trusteeship of Master St. Germain. At his direction The World Trust can only be activated for payout at only two times during any given year, Easter and Christmas. At St. Germain's orders the World Court activates the funding process. This process continues down through the four lower levels of trusts to the people, and under certain conditions the funding window remains open until the next holiday funding window begins. For example, if the Easter window is activated, the window can remain open until December 24, the day before Christmas, at which time it closes. The window remains open only if significant funds are moved to certain designated trusts during a set period of time. If not, the funding window is closed when such deadlines are not met.

Level Two -- These are the 180 Royal Trusts under the control of trustees in various sovereign countries. Examples are The French Trust, The Russian Trust, and the Vatican Trust.

Level Three -- These are the Family Trusts under the control of trustees of the world's wealthiest families. Examples are Bronfman, Warburg, Morgan, Rothschild, and Rockefeller.

Level Four -- These are the 250 plus Corporate Trusts under the control of trustees from powerful companies and corporations. Examples are General Electric, Lockheed, General Motors, Boeing, Carnegie, Ford, Marriott and AT&T. There are 4-5 trustees per trust which means that approximately 1200 trustees must sign documents to move money through these trusts.

Level Five -- These are the Prosperity Program Trusts which represent the various 70-75 bank roll programs which are under the control of designated program trustees. Again, there are 4-5 trustees per trust or some 350 persons who must sign documents to activate these trusts. Some examples include Bergevene, SBC, ITI, Savage, Morgan, Omega, and Freedom. The largest trust is Freedom and it must be funded first. It is these trust's that hold the wealth from the enlighten robber baron children.

Then finally the funds will be released to the common man. As the funds pass through each trust, the trustee must use only certain designated "safe" banks and sign the proper documents with only certain designated banking personnel at those banks. Should this process be activated and then be stalled by deceitful bankers, deceitful trustees, etc. and the deadlines for funding to reach certain trusts are not met, the funding window is then closed. This is the problem members of the Bush family are blocking the release of these funds.

NESARA

Change is on the horizon, and it begins with NESARA.

There is much disinformation on the Internet pertaining to this law. Sources such as quatloos.com which is a CIA front, nesara.org which is owned by the Bush family, the 33rd Zion Lodge , the NSA, Sherry Shriner, and various Internet channelings straight out of CIA Langley have been spouting much disinformation and confusion on the subject. The information on the Wikipedia even has its facts wrong. Wikipedia gives you the history of Harvey Barnard NESARA law. If you look closely at this law it stands for National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, which would reform the economy and replace the income with a national sales tax. This law was rejected by congress in the 1990s. However there is another NESARA law on the books.

This NESARA, stands for the National Economic Security and Reformation Act. It's the most ground breaking reformation to sweep not only this country but our planet in its entire history. The act does away with the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS, the secret government, and much more.

History of NESARA

To understand NESARA's origins we must go back to the early years of the American Republic. Ever since England lost her most prized jewel the "American Colonies," the royal crown was looking for ways to take back what was once theirs. The pioneers of our new republic knew the threat that faced the young nation. To ensure its survival a nobility amendment was passed to prevent anyone who had loyalties to the crown from holding public office. The 13th Amendment was approved by congress and the House of Representatives in 1810. It was ratified by all the necessary states into law on March 12, 1819. It reads as follows.

13th Amendment

If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain, any title of nobility or honour, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

This amendment was unacceptable for the British crown because this would essentially cut of all meddling into the affairs of the new republic's government. It would also mean anyone who is a member of the BAR (Lawyer) association would not be allowed to hold public office. Remember the B.A.R. is short for the British Accredited Registry. This amendment is technically still in effect today and therefore all the laws that have been made by lawyers remains unconstitutional, as they are not allowed to be US citizens.

This is why England fought in a war with us in 1812. Washington D.C. was burned to the ground and the original documents which proved this was indeed a law were destroyed. The British monarchy knew the American people would never tolerate British rule again, so they offered back the republic to the people with one exception, the 13th amendment was to be removed from the constitution. Nearly 200 years have now since passed, we have been conquered and yet we don't know it.

Then we had the civil war which was really about the Rothschild family trying to gain control of the south's cotton industry. Then we had the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 which put America into slavery. Finally in the early 1990's we started to see a change.

NESARA

The beginnings of NESARA takes us back to the early 1970's when the banks were foreclosing on farmers mortgages all over the United States. The Willie Nelson "Live Aid" concerts were one of the fund raisers that helped these farmers. The farmers soon realized the banks were not only charging exorbitant and illegal amounts of interest, but they were illegally foreclosing on their homes.

When these farmers began to seek legal action against the banks they soon realized that the government and banks were working in collusion with each other. So in the early 1990's, they sought the help of the Farmers Union and did in depth research on all the banks illegal activities. A series of lawsuits were initiated against the banks and the government. Over 336,000 Farm Claims filed for fraud against the U.S. Federal Government with an average of $20 million dollars per claim. This amounts to $6.6 trillion total.

In retaliation the banks and the government sent the IRS against the farmers. When the farmers realized they were being unfairly targeted by the IRS they began looking for ways to fight back. They requested help from military generals such as General Ray Swasinger, to sit in the court room to ensure the bribed judges would vote according to constitutional law.

These court cases ran up and down various state and federal courts from 1970's till the 1990's. Then in 1992-1993, the farmers appealed their case to the US supreme court. Almost unanimously the U.S. Supreme Court Justices ruled that the Farmers Union claims were VALID and that the U.S. federal government and the banks had seriously defrauded the farmers, and all U.S. citizens, out of vast sums of money and property. Furthermore the court ruled the shocking truth that the IRS and the Federal Reserve were unlawful, that the income tax amendment was never ratified by the US states, and that the US government had illegally foreclosed on farmers homes with the help of federal agencies. Irrefutable proof of such was presented by a retired CIA agent. He provided testimony and records of the banks illegal activity, to lead further evidence that the Farmers' Union claims were legitimate.

The Justices recognized that to remedy this situation, massive reformations would be required.

Now, when rulings are made by the U.S. Supreme Court, one or more Justices are assigned to monitor the progress on how the rulings are carried out. In this case, five Justices were assigned to a committee to develop steps to implement required government and banking reformations. As the Justices went about developing the required reformations they enlisted the help of experts in economics, monetary systems, banking, Constitutional government and law, and many other related areas. The Justices built coalitions of support and assistance with thousands of people worldwide; these thousands of people working to bring us NESARA have been named "White Knights".

This term "White Knights" was borrowed from the world of big business hostile takeovers. It refers to how a vulnerable company is "rescued from a hostile takeover by a White Knight" corporation or wealthy person. This term is a most accurate term for these "White Knights" are working behind the scenes to stop the madness.

After the trial, the damages process name was changed to Bank Claims. From 1993 through 1996, U.S. citizens filed Bank Claims against the banks and the federal government through the U.S. Treasury Department to obtain payment for the damages as specified by the U.S. Supreme Court. (This process CLOSED in 1996.)

Gag Order

Due to the ground breaking changes required, an extremely strict gag order was placed on everyone, directly involved and the court case records. Anyone who broke this gag order would receive the death penalty. Furthermore all court records were sealed until after all the reforms are completed. To maintain this secrecy, the case details for the docket number assigned to the Farmers' Union case were changed.

As a result doing a search for this case will fail to reflect the correct information until after the reformations are made public.

At every step of the process, anyone directly involved has been required to sign an agreement to keep the U.S. Supreme Court's process of implementing the required reformations "secret", or face charges of Treason which are punishable by death. This gag order was placed on all media personnel, government officials, and bank employees. This is why Alex Jones or TV news anchors will not talk about this on air. Nor will wikipedia tell you the truth behind the law. Nor will Sherry Shriner who is nothing more than a CIA stooge. Minnesota Senator Paul Wellstone, was about to break the gag order, but before he could his small passenger plane crashed killing his wife, daughter, and himself.

Accords

To implement the required changes, the five Justices spent years negotiating how the reformations would occur. These agreements , known as "Accords" were made with the U.S. government, the Federal Reserve Bank owners, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and with numerous other countries including the United Kingdom and countries of the Euro Zone.

The U.S. banking system reformations require the Federal Reserve Bank system be absorbed by the U.S. Treasury Department and the banks' fraudulent activities stopped. Plus remedies will need to be made to U.S. citizens for past harm due to fraud. The U.S. banking reformations will impact the entire world and therefore the IMF, World Bank, and other countries had to be involved.

As the years began to pass, the military generals who originally helped the farmers soon realized that the government had no intentions of implementing the "Accords." So, the Justices authorized the reformations be put into the form of a 75 page document known as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act (NESARA).

NESARA implements the following changes;

1. Zeros out all credit card, mortgage, and other bank debt due to illegal banking and government activities

2. Abolishes income tax

3. Abolishes IRS; creates 14% flat rate non-essential "new items only" sales tax revenue for government

4. Increases benefits to senior citizens

5. Returns Constitutional Law to all our courts and legal matters.

6. Establishes new Presidential and Congressional elections within 120 days after NESARA's announcement

7. Monitors elections and prevents illegal election activities of special interest groups

8. Creates new US Treasury currency, "rainbow currency," backed by gold, silver, and platinum precious metals

9.. Initiates new U.S. Treasury Bank System in alignment with Constitutional Law

10. Eliminates the Federal Reserve System

11. Restores financial privacy

12. Retrains all judges and attorneys in Constitutional Law

13. Ceases all aggressive, US government military actions worldwide

14. Establishes peace throughout the world

15. Initiates first phase of worldwide prosperity distribution of vast wealth which has been accumulating for many decades. Every American citizen over the age of 21 will receive $100,000 a month for 11 years. The law requires that the farmers claims to be paid first before the general public receives funds. Remember, these funds will come from the Level 5 Trust, bank roll programs.

16. Releases enormous sums of money for humanitarian purposes

17. Enables the release of new technologies such as free energy devices, pollution cleanup, and sonic healing machines.

This law was passed secretly on March 9, 2000 by Congress. It was voted on by seven members congress, which were the only ones constitutionally allowed to hold office. This is because the nobility amendment prevents anyone with ties to the crown from holding office. Plus, NESARA requires all congress members to resign immediately, so all the corrupt members of congress refused to vote. >From its very inception Bush Snr., the false congress, and major bank houses, and the Carlyle group opposed NESARA. Secrecy was maintained by revising the official congressional registry. The details of the bill number for NESARA were revised to reflect a commemorative coin and revised again more recently.

Our members of congress will not tell us any of this because they have been ordered by the U.S. Supreme Court Justices to "deny" the existence of NESARA or face charges of Treason punishable by death; and some members of Congress have actually been charged with "obstruction" and threatened with Treason charges. Therefore, all members of Congress pretend that NESARA has not been passed in order to comply with the Justices' gag order. This why there are no public Congressional Records!

The unelected cloned President Bill Clinton and his puppet masters, had no interest in signing NESARA into law. So, the military generals enlisted the help of the elite Naval Seals and the Delta Force. Together they stormed the White House and under gunpoint forced Bill Clinton to sign NESARA into law. This occurred on October 10, 2000.

Before NESARA is announced to the public it is stipulated that the original farm claims must be paid out first with gold or precious metals backed currency as stipulated by the constitution. Therefore they cannot be paid in Federal Reserve notes which is not money anyway. The $6.6 trillion is to be distributed in the form of ATM debit cards from the new gold backed US Treasury system. This money will come from the bank roll programs originally set up by benevolent illuminati families. The only catch is to release these funds they must first be released by Goldman Sacs and Bank of America which are owned by the Rockefeller and Bush cabals.

To prevent the funds from being released the banking documents, which contains instructions on how to access the funds, are being transported 24/7 between warehouses in Charlotte, NC and Washington D.C. The drivers of these Fed Ex trucks are heavily bribed and many of are afraid of reprisals from the Bush family if they deliver their payload as required by law.

One time when these packets were returned to Washington D.C., Bush placed them under military guard. Federal judges ordered him to release the funds, G.W. Bush replied. "You will never receive these packages, they belong to me". The judge answered "I can do no more, he is President of the U.S."

The news media were called and refused to film the guards saying "He is the President and we are afraid of what he will do." (code for we also work for the Illuminati)

This has been going on for some time, so the IMF, and World Bank got together along with the Rothschild family to set up a new global banking system backed by gold. This will ultimately kill the Federal Reserve System which is worthless fiat money. It was approved by congress on September 19, 2007. On October 19, 2007, at midnight the U.S. treasury of the Republic went on-line with the Global Banking System. The next step is announcing this to the public, but it's not an easy task to do.

Many powerful groups have tried to stop the announcement and implementation of the NESARA law. 18 months after NESARA became law, the Justices had the current Congress pass resolutions "approving" NESARA on September 9, 2001. On September 10, 2001 George Bush Sr. moved into the White house to steer his son on how to block the announcement. The next day NESARA was set to be announced at 10 a.m. EDT on September 11, 2001.

9/11 Attacks

Groups opposing NESARA arranged for the attacks to occur on 9/11 to keep NESARA from being announced. Just before the announcement, Bush Snr. ordered the demolition of World Trade Center to stop the international banking computers on floors one and two, in the North Tower from initiating the new U.S. Treasury Bank system.

George Bush Snr decapitated any hopes of returning this government back to the people. Despite the fact the Bush family was to be paid off $300 trillion dollars to cooperate with NESARA, they choose instead to maintain control over us. Ultimately in the end the Bush's will end up with nothing. Without a gold backed treasury system our country is headed to economic collapse, and eventual civil war.

Logistics of 9/11

We are all familiar with the official story of September 11th: Four jetliners were hijacked by groups of four and five Arabic men armed with box cutters, who flew three of the four jets into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. The World Trade Center weakened by the fires collapsed into piles of rubble. Later that afternoon, the 47 story Building 7, collapsed due to fire (a fact which most people are unaware of).

The FBI had compiled a list of hijackers within three days, and so it was obvious that Osama bin Laden had masterminded 9/11 from caves in Afghanistan. With that in mind there was no need to seriously investigate 9/11. The problem is when one investigates the conflicts of interest and red flags we find a long series of improbable coincidences.

It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble a jet fighter whenever an airliner goes off course or radio contact is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times. In 2000 jets were scrambled 129 times. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of all deviations. NORAD is responsible for monitoring, air and space traffic continuously, and is prepared to act immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force and other armed services in pursuit of airliners in trouble.

With this in mind what would cause the massive breakdown in the chain of command? According to the Pentagon, NORAD was conducting a mock terrorist drill on 9/11, this is why they were unable to scramble jets in time. This seems to conflict with Secretary of Transportation, Norman Mineta's testimony before the 9-11 Commission. He reports that at the time of the attacks both Dick Cheney and himself was in the Presidential Emergency Operations Command Center. Norman recalled an officer coming in every few minutes to question the Vice President if NORAD should continue to stand down and not shoot the airplanes out of the sky.

"During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is 30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??"

The airplanes which flew into the twin towers were military aircraft as no normal 747 could maneuver the way they did. Remember the hijackers nearly flunked out of flight school, how are they able to maneuver an airplane in such a way even expert pilots could not. These planes were most likely flown using autopilot because all 5 planes had their black box in flight recorders turned off at the same time. The recorder is turned off when the Airborne Warning and Control System takes over the craft.

The Planes were controlled using the U.S. Air Force's "QRS11 Triaxial Remote Guidance System" called "JPALS." Essentially it's a "gyro on a chip." It uses GPS satellite technology and electronics implanted in the Boeing aircraft allowing them to be controlled remotely.

The truth is the September 11th attacks were carried out using remote processes. It was planned out by a CIA unit of 100 people (Aquarius?) in August of 2001. This group carried out the attacks and staged the so-called cell phone calls purported to be from passengers on the commercial airlines by using voice impersonation technology and other remote technologies. This same CIA group also created the conspiracy story of 19 Arab hijackers, many of whom where either dead or in jail in the middle east.

As for the airline passengers on 9/11, they were probably gassed aboard their plane and then sent to either the Amtrak facility in Kansas City, Kansas or the FEMA crematorium in Terra Haute, ID to be incinerated.

Explosions in WTC

The official NIST's (National Institute of Standards and Technology) investigation is often cited as proving the theory that planes and fires caused the collapses. Yet the report fails to mention how the buildings could collapse due to fire without a historical precedent of any steel framed skyscraper collapsing other than a controlled demolition. In the entire report only two sentences in a half page section gives us hints as to what really happened. This troublesome issue is avoided by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that "global collapse" was "inevitable" after the "initiation of collapse."

A striking distinction of the World Trade Center collapse was the pulverization of the concrete into dust and gravel before it hit the ground. This can been seen in videos which show the towers mushrooming into vast clouds as they fall, leaving only twisted pieces of steel and no large pieces of concrete. While the building is collapsing you can see puffs of smoke exploding each floor out in a timed demolition. These puffs of smoke are called Sprites; which explode outward 10 to 15 floors below the rubble as the building collapses. This would suggest the detonators were on a timed circuit set to go off in a controlled manner. This also explains why the building collapsed in a free fall. An unobstructed freefall using Newtonian physics would be 6 seconds. Logic would dictate as the building collapsed the floors below it would reduce the speed, however the World trade center collapsed in 7 seconds. All of this makes sense especially when you consider the testimony from the firefighters. They reported hearing bombs going off but the media ignored their testimony. Even Columbia Observatory recorded minute explosions on their seismograph, moments prior to the collapse.

William Rodriguez who worked as a janitor reported hearing explosions in the basement just moments prior to the airplane colliding into the world trade center. Hilary Clinton promised him a high position in her government if he remained silent about this. Instead he refused, even today the media continues to ignore and distort his testimony.

Prior to 9/11, no steel building had ever collapsed due to fire. There is no way Jet fuel could burn hot enough to melt the steel in the WTC, this is because steel melts at 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, and Jet fuel burns at 1,800. Even if the beams buckled it wouldn't cause them to melt with the fire proofing protection. The truth is the fire burned around 700 degrees and was about to extinguish itself. This can be confirmed by the black smoke which occurs in an oxygen deprived fire. There is no way the fires could have burned as hot as the government claims especially when the videos show people sitting at the edge of the impact hole waiting to be rescued.

Furthermore, Steven Jones, professor of physics at Brigham Young University found that the rubble had evidence of evaporated steel, and thermite which is used in controlled demolitions. In order for steel to evaporate it would require temperatures in excess of 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Even three weeks after the world trade collapsed there were still areas of rubble which were so hot fire fighters could not go near it. Maybe this explains why the government was so eager to ship all the "evidence", I mean ruble to China and South Korea. This was crime scene, and by removing the evidence the government violated crime scene laws. Oddly enough the company which was given the task to do this was none other than "Controlled Demolition Inc." Its a funny thing you know, with all this "heat." How come the terrorist's passports which linked Al-Qaeda to the attacks failed to burn in the inferno as claimed by the government?

So now the question is how did those explosives get into the building without anyone noticing it? On the weekend of 9/8 and 9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in the south tower. For 36 hours there was no electrical supply from the 50th floor and up. This would mean there would be no security cameras, security locks on doors. Maintenance workers reported seeing 'engineers' coming in and out of the building, and the sound of heavy objects moving around on floors which were supposed to be unoccupied. Even more red flags are raised when one considers the fact that bomb sniffing dogs patrols were halted on September 6, 2001. So who allowed this to happen?

Securacom (later renamed Stratesec ) was responsible for the security of the WTC complex. Marvin Bush, G.W's brother was on the board of directors. Isn't it odd that he has never been investigated especially considering Securacom was also in charge of security for United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport, the same place where the reported hijackers boarded their planes.

Building 7

Building 7 was the third building to collapse on 9/11 according to the government fires leveled the building. The only problem with this is, fires have never leveled a steel skyscraper before. The team that investigated the collapse was kept away from the crime scene; by the time their report was published in May 2002 the evidence had been destroyed.

Building 7 had a number of fires of limited extent and unknown duration before the total collapse at 5:20 PM. Official reports assume the debris from the North Tower ignited the fire at 10:29 A.M. FEMA's report blamed the collapse primarily on fires, though it was inconclusive. NIST suggested it was caused by severe structural damage. However other skyscraper fires exhibited more extensive burns and were longer lasting than Building 7, but none of these other buildings collapsed.

From the video evidence, it is clear building 7 collapsed in a controlled demolition type manner. Even the owner of the WTC complex, Larry Silverstein admitted to this fact in 2002 on PBS,

"I remember getting a call from the...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire. And I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull-it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

Pulling is a term used in controlled demolitions. Now it takes weeks of planning and installation of detonators for a successful controlled demolition. How could all these detonators be conveniently in place unless Silverstein had foreknowledge the attacks would occur? Perhaps this explains why he bought a 99 year insurance policy worth $7 billion months prior to the attack. The truth is the world trade center was loaded with asbestos. It would have cost much more than $7 billion to take the building apart piece by piece to remove the stuff. So not only is it cheaper to do a controlled demolition Larry Silverstein made money from it too!

Buildings which were much closer to the World Trade center sustained more damage, yet did not collapse due to fire. So how is it that Building 7 which was two buildings away from the North Tower, developed these fires when it wasn't hit with a plane. Maybe this can be answered when we look at who has the most to gain from the destruction of this building.

The following are the prime suspects in the 9/11 collapse. In WTC 7, the SEC was storing thousands of files related to pending Wall Street investigations on companies such as Enron and Worldcom. Conveniently these document were destroyed when the building collapsed. Other tenants in WTC7, include the IRS, CIA, Secret Service, FBI, and Department of Defense. Building Seven also served as the command center for the security of the entire WTC complex, which was headed by the President's brother, Marvin Bush, whose contract ended "coincidentally" on 9/11. It was also host to then Mayor Rudy Giuliani's Office of Emergency Management command center. This was built on the 23rd floor, in 1998 as a "bunker" for emergences such as 9/11. It had bullet and bomb-resistant windows, its own water and air supply, the ability to withstand 160 mph winds, and a full commanding view of the entire WTC complex. Interestingly, on 9/11 Giuliani didn't bother to put the center to use, even though that's what it was built for. He decided instead, to set up a makeshift command center down the street.

Isn't it strange that the official 9/11 commission report, choose to omit any reference to building seven. What else are they hiding from us?

What happened to the debris from flight 93 in Pennsylvania? It was mysteriously missing, with the only evidence left, a 15 foot hole in the ground. The truth is flight 93 was intended to hit Camp David. If you go to YouTube you can hear the actual sound bites from the news networks which announce flight 93 hit Camp David. Seriously folks, 9/11 was totally scripted that day. Camp David was targeted by our government because it was the anniversary of the "Camp David accords." Which was the 1978 Israeli-Egypt peace treaty, (Israel is actually a state within the United States so it's really the US-Egypt peace treaty.) By blaming the Muslims it would have given our government another excuse to bomb the Middle East.

Why was there no investigation in the put options on American Airlines stock? Why was members of the bin laden family flown out of the country on 9/11 when all other planes were grounded? Where did the missing $700 million dollar stash of gold stored under the WTC complex disappear too? The questions go on and on. The government will not answer them because they are at fault. The whores in the media will not tell us the truth, as many of the major news networks have been paid off to lie to the American people. Its all about the money!

Pentagon

There is no way a 124 foot wide Boeing 757 airplane could fit into a hole 15-18 feet wide. So what hit the pentagon if it wasn't a passenger airplane? Unfortunately the government confiscated most evidence covering up what happened. After the impact, pentagon officials confiscated 80 video cameras which were focused on the pentagon, and eyewitnesses had to sign nondisclosure agreements. To date only one of these videos has been released and this video is only 4 frames. All we can conclude from the video is a blurry metal bogey of some sort hit the pentagon. It is safe to rule out a 757, because such a large aircraft flying at 450 mph would literally be torn apart from turbulence created while flying under 60 feet in altitude.

The truth is Bush ordered the destruction of the Pentagon building to prevent this country from returning back to constitutional law. Remote pilot technology was used to fly a small white private plane loaded with explosives into the Pentagon at the exact location of the White Knights in their new Naval Communications Center. At the time they were coordinating activities supporting NESARA's implementation nationwide.

Al-Qaeda

Every time Bush says we are in a war against terrorism, the terrorists they are referring to are not Al-Qaeda, THE TERRORISTS ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Patriot Acts I and II will eventually take away basic constitutional liberties such as a trial by jury and search warrants. Further more anyone who tries to cash their refund from the NESARA trust funds are arrested under the Patriot Act and Homeland Security Gestapo. When one takes a closer look at the secret memos and executive orders the intent of the elite is clear. We are now living in a police state just like our Nazi leaders have always planned for us.

"He who trades liberty for security, deserves neither and will loose both." - Thomas Jefferson

The Bush family and the Bin Laden family are in fact best friends. They were both business partners in Saudi Oil and members of the Carlye Group. According to Patrick Bellringer, the Bush family was protecting Bin Laden. He checked into the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN prior to September 11, 2001 seeking medical treatment for his kidney problems. The hospital gave him and his family a floor unto themselves for privacy. He later died on December 26, 2001 from kidney (renal) failure and lung complication. The big lie by the US government is to keep the people believing there are terrorists out there to get us. It's hard to have a War on Terrorism, if there are no terrorists! Furthermore the media refuse to investigate how a dying man can survive on a dialysis machine in remote Pakistani caves for over six years.

When you analyze the video footage, the seismic data, and eyewitness accounts the government's conspiracy theory just does not make sense. This fictional story has given Bush an excuse to send the U.S. Military to Afghanistan, Iraq, and create Patriot Act I and II. Now you know why on 9/11, Bush Jr. sat in a classroom reading a children's book upside down, about a pet goat for seven minutes, as if this epic cosmic tragedy was no big deal.

Now our country remains at war and the media covers up the amount of body bags coming out of Iraq. Nor do they report the real death totals on 9/11. The actual death count is 30,700. No one questions the insanely small numbers given out by the government because New York City is a large place; people who have lost loved ones do not make contact with others who have died in 9/11. So they have no way of knowing how many truly died, especially when their government lies to them. The following death totals comes from the Pleiadian Commander in Chief Hatonn (more on who he is later.)

Casualties Report March 2003 till January 2007

Iraq War

U.S. soldiers killed 11,600

U.S. soldiers, war injuries 22,800

U.S. civilians killed 5,000

U.S. soldier bodies dumped into Persian Gulf 7,000

Iraqis killed 960,000

Iraqis injured 555,000

Official Data of the U.S. Dept. of Defense, Jan. 26, 2007

Confirmed U.S. soldiers dead 3,063

U.S soldier, hostile injuries 22,884

U.S. soldier-non-hostile injuries and disease victims 24,823

( http://icasualties.org/oif/)

Afghanistan War

U.S. soldiers killed 680

U.S. soldiers, war injuries 660

Afghans killed 36,000

Afghans injuries 67,400

Official Data of the U.S. Dept. of Defense

U.S. soldiers official deaths 494

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/fall … tan/page4/

9/11 - World Trade Tower Disaster

People killed that day 30,700

Total deaths to date resulting from this disaster 56,600

Number of the 30,700 picked up by Starship that day 20,400

U.S. Gov. official death toll 2,752

U.S. Gov. officially identified 1,527

__._,_.___

END OF EMAIL

Sotapanno

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 19:46:48

Republic, Republic, Constitutional Republic. A catch-22, a paradoxical wall that people are giving themselves headaches trying to think through, a reductio ad absurdem: people who want to see real visible changes in Gov't who say that the goal is "support and uphold the Constitution" are fighting against themselves. Bush and his cronies, and those who plan to move into power when Bush is too old to rule through his son are depending on Constitutional Law.

The law of the Constitution was there for great atrocities against the native American people. This is where you have to ask where you care or really don't care. People who don't really care but who go through the motions will inevitably be seen to stand in the way of those who truly love America more than they seek to be sycophants, to kiss the ass of Power and say what makes them look patriotic.

As long as you claim that you fight for the Constitution, you are fighting for those who already hold power, the corporate influences that have shown preference for war, cheating to win and basic indifference towards the major bulk of American people. And most people take that tack.

The Constitution is not the friend of freedom. What's real is that you have pledged allegiance to it, and to the families and bloodlines that claim that it is Holy Writ. And as long as you take that stance -- well, now you're mad, right?

Anyone who threatens the Con is b.s., right? They are no friends of freedom, they are probably some sort of Communist, maybe a Satanist Lesbian. Someone rebelliously insane who threatens the foundation of all we hold dear right? The Constitution is holy and MUST BE PROTECTED, even if it means we must sacrifice SOME of our freedoms to do as our leaders tell us, right?

Plato hated the people. Plato DESPISED the people and this is the time when people will wake up and gain the all important HINDSIGHT -- when people get over their fear of being correct about politics. And those who rule will respond with:

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 19:57:58

but where does he get his ideas?

Don Rumsfeld was reportedly retained by the Bush combination of corporations and political concerns after his public dressing down. Rumsfeld oversaw Raytheon's development of the missile shield that isn't, the microwaving system of atmosphere toxifying beam devices including the High frequency Active Auroral Research Project and the dreaded Vehicle Mounted Active Denial System, (HAARP & VMADS).

But Nikolai Tesla was the true genius philosopher and scientist who came up with the insights to create the basic science behind those devices - and Tesla envisioned a better world with those technologies, as did Fuller. Rumsfeld's a petty criminal and drug lord in the opinion of many, not a genius.

UTILIZING THE ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS which are the energetic basis of motion and energy in this universe,
the various devices that accompany the Active Denial System...effect mammalian brain action in damaging ways.

Your tax dollars pay for this, and arguably, since we live in a one global system now, wherever you live.[size=18]

"The word 'deception' is an interesting one because it would be wrong to use the word in any context other than a strategic or tactical deception. For example, if the Special Forces of the United States were getting ready to undertake a direct action against a Al Qaeda stronghold someplace in Afghanistan, and they want to come in from the west, they may very well do things that will lead the people in that enclave to think they're coming in from the north instead of from the west. And that would be characterized as tactical deception.

It seems to me that what people have to understand about this is very clear: number one, government officials, the Department of Defense, this secretary and the people that work with me tell the American people the truth. And to the extent anyone says anything that at any time proves to have been not accurate, they correct it at the earliest possible opportunity. I've read some of these articles that are floating around, and my advice is to think of it the way I've just described it: That's the way it works. That's the way it has worked. That's the way it will work in the future."

Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
During a press briefing on February 20, 2002
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-The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military.

What it is valuable to realise is that Rumsfeld, a slouch of a man, knows that what he created is an Active Denial System.

Reading the statements of Rumsfeld's in the year 2007 that were denials would keep you reading for some time: denial is perhaps the man's real skill. The goal; capitalizing on the lowest common denominators in human behavior and human standard. It's not like Mr. Rumsfeld INVENTED Denial (video records are spotty from the origins of the universe) -- it is that he is UTILIZING and AMPLIFYING it in hopes of keeping people doing just that -- rather than seeing what he and a small circle of fiends are up to, and in so seeing, deposing and encarcerating said fiends.

that he doesn't know, it can't be done or that there is no answer is generally Rumsfeld's way of dealing with press conferences:

and this is important in dealing with allegations that Tesla-based technology is being used for mass brainwashing IN ADDITION to significant climactic and tectonic effect.

as in: the so called "Earth Changes" that we have seen?

The globe is being WARMED actively by the same Active Denial System that, via its small remote roving vehicle mounted units, attacks human flesh and intensely heats that flesh.

The human body is mostly water. Most of us know what happens to water molecules in a microwave, they get excited and quickly heat. To living flesh like yours the ADS has one effect, creating instant pain.

But these are millimeter and microwaves -- the effect is adjustable. The High Power AMPLIFIER to the Active Denial Effect has been on for a couple of years...and it is hammering the IONOSPHERE with an almost incalculable wattage -- terrawatts per second... and in so doing, heating the globe on purpose. You? You're supposed to have attention deficit disorder, you're supposed to be too scared of the impending wars and rumours of wars to react effectively, so that the EVIL INSANE can smugly move forward with plans to oversee artificially created disasters.

giant supercell hits Katrina? they could manipulate and amplify that with new Tesla based technology.
wave after wave of dragon-like fires stretching across California? HAARP can invisibly keep the area dry and ionized, keeping the area ready for more burning at any time.

FEMA? When there is a State thatr must go State of Emergency a THOUSAND CONTRACTS come into play.

Like the Evil Insane, they will rush to collect scads of cash, cash cash and basically PROFIT from disasters that are being monitored and augmented INCREDIBLY -- as in, "no way! No way our leaders would -- what? Manipulate the climate to accelerate global warming? No fuckin' way, that's bullshit, pal. Make the earth's crust weak? Put denial INTO our minds, or amplify our own tendency to be in denial? Not buyin' it. There's no way they would do that. The Government Is Our Friend."

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 20:01:32

Those who must inevitably being deposed for the United States and the world to move forward into a century of relative bliss and great possibility are swearing under their breath that they are immune to the truth.

Immune to the truth, and yeah, that DOES mean that they are engaged in mass deception.

A journalism community that is banned, gagged, prohibited from reporting on mind control is effectively a TOOL of that technology (if it exists) -- and thus reports to the world at large about issues and events, while a policy of active denial about the most important issues is enforced.

Rumsfeld, a major player, knew that when he oversaw Raytheon's development of the technology.

Denial works this way: someone shows you the NWO's death ray. They show you a schematic and detail to you a timeline of the development and production of the technology.

YOU nod blankly, say "yes, we know and understand" and go away to angrily complain that Britney Spears dress and drug use is what's wrong with the world today. Everything you were told about the NWO DEATH RAY you put out of your mind, into a place in your mind you subconsciously partition where all fact that you deny goes.

That's how it works --

DARPA was responsible for funding development of many technologies which have had a major impact on the world, including computer networking (starting with the ARPANET, which eventually grew into the Internet), as well as NLS, which was both the first hypertext system, and an important precursor to the contemporary ubiquitous graphical user interface.

The significance of Don Rumsfeld is meant to be underemphasized: corporate media performs a slavelike service there.

The Bush Admin announces that Rumsfeld is deactivated: that is how Corporate Media reports it.

Meanwhile: if Rumsfeld STILL after his public defrocking has a very expensive office at Quantico or the White House, and an even BIGGER staff, and therefore is a bigger drain on the American taxpayer than before:

corporate media rather lamely reports on other news, and is made a liar by gross omission.

All of corporate media. So in a very real way as the electronic superhighway expands like a universe unto itself, corporate media is an empty waste land of glaring omissions and bland, grinning partisans who can't hide their agendas without smirking or blushing.

We are left to rely on independent sources of media, and our own ability to cull.

Because It's A Fact: If Don Trump or Malcolm Forbes or some other millionaire is involved in corporate malfeasance - and also holds controlling interest in a news service, that news service is all but void when it comes to delivering acccurate information to the public.

What does that mean? In a world where opinion is formed largely second hand via the media, and information goes on to shape policy, it means a great deal.

Because if Don Rumsfeld IS still on the American taxpayer's dime, and you can't find out about it from CNN or MSNBC, than allegations of collusion, accomplice status and accompanying indictments and trials may be far behind, as the spin doctors cover their asses.

organic · 2008-01-27 21:01:28

cataleptik wrote:
Republic, Republic, Constitutional Republic. A catch-22, a paradoxical wall that people are giving themselves headaches trying to think through, a reductio ad absurdem: people who want to see real visible changes in Gov't who say that the goal is "support and uphold the Constitution" are fighting against themselves. Bush and his cronies, and those who plan to move into power when Bush is too old to rule through his son are depending on Constitutional Law.

The law of the Constitution was there for great atrocities against the native American people. This is where you have to ask where you care or really don't care. People who don't really care but who go through the motions will inevitably be seen to stand in the way of those who truly love America more than they seek to be sycophants, to kiss the ass of Power and say what makes them look patriotic.

As long as you claim that you fight for the Constitution, you are fighting for those who already hold power, the corporate influences that have shown preference for war, cheating to win and basic indifference towards the major bulk of American people. And most people take that tack.

The Constitution is not the friend of freedom. What's real is that you have pledged allegiance to it, and to the families and bloodlines that claim that it is Holy Writ. And as long as you take that stance -- well, now you're mad, right?

Anyone who threatens the Con is b.s., right? They are no friends of freedom, they are probably some sort of Communist, maybe a Satanist Lesbian. Someone rebelliously insane who threatens the foundation of all we hold dear right? The Constitution is holy and MUST BE PROTECTED, even if it means we must sacrifice SOME of our freedoms to do as our leaders tell us, right?

Plato hated the people. Plato DESPISED the people and this is the time when people will wake up and gain the all important HINDSIGHT -- when people get over their fear of being correct about politics. And those who rule will respond with:

Dear Cat...for someone who is seeking 'harmony' around here -

aries wrote:
cataleptik wrote:
i would invite you to discuss it elsewhere, though, because i seek harmony...
no problem i keep my mouth shut if you feel that my opinion causes disharmony in you but hey this is a discussion forum, which invites us to give our 2 cents to statements posted here, dont forget that nevertheless, finding harmony may also mean to face the disharmony to erase in first place...but ok i keep my mouth sealed.

I find your comments about our Republic to be highly offensive and full of DISharmony and disrespectful...luckily I could give a furry rat's a** what you think of me so here goes...my dead ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War would be dizzy rolling over in their graves at the garbage coming out of you...what ARE you talking about anyway?...O.K....I'll just say it...I find your line of thinking to be more like the incoherent ramblings of a mad man...your contempt for our Republic is appalling!...for pete's sakes...at least bring more logic to the table then this mindless trash...

http://www.friesian.com/plato.htm

I'm familiar with Plato's Republic...again...what ARE you talking about?...

'Machiavelli's thought experiment, like Plato's, would seem to be entirely pessimistic. Plato's only hope would be his government of philosophers where precautions are taken to prevent the principle of hereditary succession from beginning. Machiavelli also sees hereditary succession as a source of evil; but, as a realist and a historian, he does not imagine that it can be long prevented, especially when people are inherently bad. His solution for the corruption of the "good" governments must therefore come from a different direction.

His inspiration turns out to be a historical one, the Roman Republic, which, although followed by the Empire, nevertheless endured for several centuries and accomplished great things. The strength of the Republic, according to Machiavelli, depended on its combination of the devices of the "good" forms of government:
I say, therefore, that all these kinds of government are harmful in consequence of the short life of the three good ones and the viciousness of the three bad ones. Having noted these failings, prudent lawgivers rejected each of these forms individually and chose instead to combine them into one that would be firmer and more stable than any, since each form would serve as a check upon the others in a state having monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy at one and the same time. [The Prince by Nicollo Machiavelli, With selections from THE DISCOURSES, translated by Daniel Donno, Bantam, 1981, p. 94, boldface added]

The Roman Republic thus had monarchical authority in the Consuls, aristocratic authority in the Senate, and popular authority in the Tribunes. In Machiavelli's phrase, "...since each form would serve as a check upon the others," we see the introduction of the idea of checks and balances as means to prevent the corruption and oppression of government. If people cannot be good, then we must have a government where the interests and power of some work to secure the conscientiousness and honesty of others. This idea is later expanded by 17th and 18th century thinkers, until we have the great system of the Executive, Legislative, and Judiciary, and the States and the Federal Governments, designed as checks upon each other in the United States Constitution. That this system has now failed to actually protect freedom and virtue is a consequence of historical circumstances, failure in the original design, and changing, fallacious, unsympathetic ideology. Nevertheless, it is clear that the principle is sound and is able to secure responsible government for extended periods. The fallacy in Plato is exposed: the problem is not who is in power, since none is wise.

Over time, of course, what we see is that the ingenuity of those in power never ceases to undermine the limitations of their power, and the cupidity of some citizens never tires in the hope of extracting the substance of their less politically powerful fellows. Our challenge, then, is simply to perfect the design and prepare the ground so that, when the next Franklin, Washington, and Jefferson come along, it may be put to the test -- hopefully to even more enduring results.'

In the mean time...go wash your mouth out with soap!...

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Amethyst · 2008-01-28 00:35:45

organic wrote:
I find your comments about our Republic to be highly offensive and full of DISharmony and disrespectful...luckily I could give a furry rat's a** what you think of me so here goes...my dead ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War would be dizzy rolling over in their graves at the garbage coming out of you...what ARE you talking about anyway?...O.K....I'll just say it...are you on something?...'cause I find your line of thinking to be more like the incoherent ramblings of a mad man...your contempt for our Republic is appalling!...for pete's sakes...at least bring more logic to the table then this mindless trash...

In the mean time...put the pipe down or whatever you're smoking and go wash your mouth out with soap!!!...

This was posted in the NESARA & Safety Zone section and is supposed to be the area of designated courtesy to posters. You are not required to agree with any one else's opinions or views on the Constitution or anything else to post in this section but you are required to be courteous and respectful of others.

Amethyst

organic · 2008-01-28 00:40:27

Amethyst wrote:
You are not required to agree with any one else's opinions or views on the Constitution or anything else to post in this section but you are required to be courteous and respectful of others.

Please look in the mirror before posting...the door swings both ways, my dear.

Amethyst · 2008-01-28 00:47:18

organic wrote:
Amethyst wrote:
You are not required to agree with any one else's opinions or views on the Constitution or anything else to post in this section but you are required to be courteous and respectful of others.
Please look in the mirror before posting...the door swings both ways, my dear.

No, not in this section. You personally attacked Catelpic because you disagreed with his or her views on the Constitution. Historically, you were among a group of about 4 or 5 whose attacks on other's opinions, primarily on NESARA, caused this section to be established in the first place.

Amethyst

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organic · 2008-01-28 01:10:42

That is YOUR opinion, Amethyst…his issues about the Constitution ARE offensive to me and connect with other personal attacks he has made about MY views on the Constitution posted elsewhere…this isn’t about Nesara…but it IS about YOU using this section to vent personal issues you have with me …for you have just revealed that you have deep seated issues with me that go way back…perhaps you should work them out instead of airing your issues…perhaps you should email me instead and get it all off of your chest?...that would be acceptable to me…and no, Amethyst…this section was not created because of me...…and a reminder to what IS in print –

NESARA BELIEVERS and SAFETY ZONE ONLY

This forum provides a safe area for believers in NESARA to post their input relating to NESARA and other topics. By way of experiment it will also provide a unique space for 'non-believers' to participate without criticism or disagreement.

And since this section is also a SAFETY ZONE...perhaps disrepectful and offensive comments about countrys' governments should also be kept off this section and posted elsewhere...for this is a highly volitile subject as well especially with what is going on in America these days...hence MY response.

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brian33777 · 2008-01-28 02:09:51

organic wrote:
That is YOUR opinion, Amethyst…his issues about the Constitution ARE offensive to me and connect with other personal attacks he has made about MY views on the Constitution posted elsewhere…this isn’t about Nesara…but it IS about YOU using this section to vent personal issues you have with me …for you have just revealed that you have deep seated issues with me that go way back…perhaps you should work them out instead of airing your issues…perhaps you should email me instead and get it all off of your chest?...that would be acceptable to me…and no, Amethyst…this section was not created because of me...…and a reminder to what IS in print –

NESARA BELIEVERS and SAFETY ZONE ONLY

This forum provides a safe area for believers in NESARA to post their input relating to NESARA and other topics. By way of experiment it will also provide a unique space for 'non-believers' to participate without criticism or disagreement.

And since this section is also a SAFETY ZONE...perhaps disrepectful and offensive comments about countrys' governments should also be kept off this section and posted elsewhere...for this is a highly volitile subject as well especially with what is going on in America these days...hence MY response.

We are masters, nothing such be offensive

organic · 2008-01-28 03:09:41

brian33777 wrote:
We are masters, nothing such be offensive

Indeed all masters know that duality is real and each has its place and serves a purpose and is part of the human experience...and for that I am grateful to KNOW...for all that IS still IS...

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cataleptik · 2008-01-31 04:44:36

I think that there will be a resistance to healthy disagreements. In America there are many illusions treasured as truth: one version says that America is a perfect ideal of harmony, liberty and freedom and it has been since before the Revolutionary war.

People who tend to THAT mentality seem to desire: a unified front. No real dissent is allowed because that would puncture the notion of a United States, a truly united nation where any dissent comes from outside or else from disagreeable elements within.

If any of the varied groups who are questioning the infrastructure fail to cultivate the mode of having reasoned debates and disagreements and even impassioned argument without hating vehemently those who don't agree with them right off the bat, they will collapse. That's...what totalitarians and fascists do -- leave no room for debate or disagreement.

if those who are suggesting radical reform to the existing infrastructure can not outexcel those already in power, what can they expect? For example the N. E. S. A. R. A. camp. They propose putting representatives of existing leadership in JAIL.

Who do they plan to replace them with? Someone will have to hold up the existing infrastructure while it is replaced. If such persons ideas of fixing the nation mean pulling out the admittedly decrepit infrastructure and creating a system crash and allowing people to 'fend for themselves' -- that is insanity.

In New Orleans when the system fell apart due to weather -- augmented or not it was the Superstorm of Art Bell's prognostications in the 1990s and reports were of RAPE GANGS raping the DEAD.

That can't be what Ms Dove and the others of the N. E. S. A. R. A. intend, but often people who don't think things through and consider every little person can create disasters -- and then say that the disasters were "part of the plan" or "inevitable"?

When people make WILD allegations, one has to wonder whose side they are on, like alleging that the defrocked and cheated Presidential candidate Al Gore is a SATANIC VAMPIRE, as is alleged in the current N. E. S. A. R. A. report! No photos, no audiotape, just the ALLEGATION.

Horrific if true, utterly irresponsible and damning of course if false. And thus Ms Dove perhaps through a sense of emergency or if misled could indeed be dashing the hopes of everyone -- ALL the people who have gotten behind the gagged Act since 2001! Is that wisdom? Because for someone whom almost NOBODY KNOWS to make such allegations -- and to leave the EXISTING powerstructure who cheated to get elected almost uncriticized at all --

it doesn't look good.

if people who wish to fix the existing infrastructural problems which are epidemic -- all solveable but all epidemic -- refuse to have discussions -- and also have the temerity to assume positions of LEADERSHIP -- how can that be distinguished from the totalitarian power grabs of the Bolsheviks in the Cold War years? Just new leaders popping up out of nowhere, making bold allegations, talking about huge sums of money and suggesting the capture and encarceration of the lawfully appointed leaders.

by whose authority?

This is a sort of irresponsibility and the very reason -- one of the reasons that some people reject "leadership" positions and seek to really and truly be TEAM MEMBERS. Because there are many people who still support Al Gore and the Democratic IDEAL -- and who remember not only the onslaught of slander, lies and allegations and conspiracy dumped on EVERY DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT since Jimmy Carter brought Biblical enemies to peace --

i think that people need to think about HUMILITY and wisdom, and what those scorned qualities -- scorned by the proud and foolish -- can do to change situations for the better. To call people Vampire Satanists and not provide proof is to ASK to be called a fool, especially if you weren't planning on whipping out any proof later.

It makes a difficult job harder.

In september before the elections it will have been seven years since the announcement began to spread that there was a National economic security and restoration act. The Nation has been crying out for relief from the tyrannic aspects of its federal infrastructure since Eisenhower made his famous speech warning about the military industrial complex. Now what -- comic books?

cataleptik · 2008-01-31 04:46:11

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date Jan 30, 2008 10:56 PM
subject [doveofo] NESARA Ends Scams re: “Global Warming” & Fossil Fuels

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[doveofo] NESARA Ends Scams re: “Global Warming” & Fossil Fuels
January 30, 2008 7:35 p.m. PST

Hello Dear Friends and White Knights,

Last weekend I was looking for some true information from which I
might learn something important.

In the last 20 years, I’ve learned that most information from the
government is LIES and most information on mainstream media is LIES –
both are controlled by the Illuminati.

I thought about who in my past studies had demonstrated that he knows
the TRUTH about the world. One of the people I thought about was
David Ickes who has exposed the truth about the worldwide Illuminati
organization.

I searched for and found an audio interview of David Ickes. David
discussed the FACT that NOT all experts believe the propaganda put out
by Al Gore regarding “global warming” being due to using fossil fuels.
I quote an article below which disputes the Al Gore story.

People should always question anything coming from an Illuminati
source: Al Gore is an Illuminati. Many Illuminati drink the blood
of children as part of their rituals because they are hoping to become
younger by drinking children’s blood. Al Gore carries blood with
him; he carries bottles of blood in his suitcase; Al Gore is NOT a
hemophiliac – he IS Illuminati.

Yes, Bill and Hillary Clinton are Illuminati and also participate in
ceremonial blood drinking. As are George and Laura Bush, many top
people in Bush’s government, many members of Congress, and nearly all
the US Supreme Court Judges – all Illuminati.

Most presidential candidates from both parties are Illuminati EXCEPT
for Barack Obama, Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich.

The Illuminati are planning to force people to keep using fossil
fuels; there are other energy sources already developed, but
suppressed by the Illuminati. The Illuminati’s plan is to brainwash
people and restrict people’s travel by claiming they are damaging the
environment if they travel using fossil fuels.

The Al Gore movie is part of the Illuminati propaganda.

There are other Illuminati actions which are harming the ionosphere.
In Alaska, there is a federal government approved system called HAARP
which was originally built for the US military but is used to control
the weather. The HAARP system also BLOWS HOLES in the ionosphere –
holes which let in more of the harmful rays from the sun.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh … wstop.html

THE TRUTH ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING - IT'S THE SUN THAT'S TO BLAME

By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
Last Updated: 11:15pm BST 17/07/2004

Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter
because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the
past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing
radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate
changes.
Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for
Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research,
said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and
may now be affecting global temperatures.

"The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few
hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently -
in the last 100 to 150 years."
Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse
gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the
Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater
impact.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/s … 30320.html
SUN'S OUTPUT INCREASING IN POSSIBLE TREND FUELING GLOBAL WARMING
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 02:30 pm ET 20 March 2003
In what could be the simplest explanation for one component of global
warming, a new study shows the Sun's radiation has increased by .05
percent per decade since the late 1970s.

The increase would only be significant to Earth's climate if it has
been going on for a century or more, said study leader Richard
Willson, a Columbia University researcher also affiliated with NASA's
Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

The Sun's increasing output has only been monitored with precision
since satellite technology allowed necessary observations. Willson is
not sure if the trend extends further back in time, but other studies
suggest it does.

"This trend is important because, if sustained over many decades, it
could cause significant climate change," Willson said.

In a NASA-funded study recently published in Geophysical Research
Letters, Willson and his colleagues speculate on the possible history
of the trend based on data collected in the pre-satellite era.

"Solar activity has apparently been going upward for a century or
more," Willson told SPACE.com today.

Significant component

Further satellite observations may eventually show the trend to be
short-term. But if the change has indeed persisted at the present rate
through the 20th Century, "it would have provided a significant
component of the global warming the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change reports to have occurred over the past 100 years," he said.

That does not mean industrial pollution has not been a significant
factor, Willson cautioned.

Scientists, industry leaders and environmentalists have argued for
years whether humans have contributed to global warming, and to what
extent. The average surface temperature around the globe has risen by
about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1880. Some scientists say the increase
could be part of natural climate cycles. Others argue that greenhouse
gases produced by automobiles and industry are largely to blame.

Willson said the Sun's possible influence has been largely ignored
because it is so difficult to quantify over long periods.
Confounding efforts to determine the Sun's role is the fact that its
energy output waxes and wanes every 11 years. This solar cycle, as it
is called, reached maximum in the middle of 2000 and achieved a second
peak in 2002. It is now ramping down toward a solar minimum that will
arrive in about three years.

Connections

Changes in the solar cycle -- and solar output -- are known to cause
short-term climate change on Earth. At solar max, Earth's thin upper
atmosphere can see a doubling of temperature. It swells, and denser
air can puff up to the region of space where the International Space
Station orbits, causing increased drag on the ship and forcing more
frequent boosts from space shuttles.

Solar max has also been tied to a 2 percent increase in clouds over
much of the United States.

It might seem logical to assume tie climate to solar output, but firm
connections are few. Other studies looking further back in time have
suggested a connection between longer variations in solar activity and
temperatures on Earth.

Examinations of ancient tree rings and other data show temperatures
declined starting in the 13th Century, bottomed out at 2 degrees below
the long-term average during the 17th Century, and did not climb back
to previous levels until the late 19th Century. Separate records of
sunspots, auroral activity (the Northern Lights) and terrestrial
deposits of certain substances generated in atmospheric reactions
triggered by solar output, suggest the Sun was persistently active
prior to the onset of this Little Ice Age, as scientists call the
event.

Solar activity was lowest during the 17th Century, when Earth was most
frigid.
Large-scale ocean and climate variations on Earth can also mask
long-term trends and can make it difficult to sort out what is normal,
what is unusual, and which effects might or might not result from
shifts in solar radiation.

To get above all this, scientists rely on measurements of total solar
energy, at all wavelengths, outside Earth's atmosphere. The figure
they derive is called Total Solar Irradiance (TSI).

Heating up

The new study shows that the TSI has increased by about 0.1 percent
over 24 years. That is not enough to cause notable climate change,
Willson and his colleagues say, unless the rate of change were
maintained for a century or more.

On time scales as short as several days, the TSI can vary by 0.2
percent due to the number and size of sunspots crossing the face of
the Sun. That shift, said to be insignificant to weather, is however
equal to the total amount of energy used by humans, globally, for a
year, the researchers estimate.”

The study analyzed data from six satellites orbiting Earth at
different times over the 24 years. Willson ferreted out errors in one
of the datasets that had prevented previous studies from discovering
the trend.

A separate recent study of Sun-induced magnetic activity near Earth,
going back to 1868, provides compelling evidence that the Sun's
current increase in output goes back more than a century, Willson
said. …”

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cataleptik · 2008-01-31 05:59:48

Amethyst wrote:
organic wrote:
I find your comments about our Republic to be highly offensive and full of DISharmony and disrespectful...luckily I could give a furry rat's a** what you think of me so here goes...my dead ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War would be dizzy rolling over in their graves at the garbage coming out of you...what ARE you talking about anyway?...O.K....I'll just say it...are you on something?...'cause I find your line of thinking to be more like the incoherent ramblings of a mad man...your contempt for our Republic is appalling!...for pete's sakes...at least bring more logic to the table then this mindless trash...:|

In the mean time...put the pipe down or whatever you're smoking and go wash your mouth out with soap!!!...:|
This was posted in the NESARA & Safety Zone section and is supposed to be the area of designated courtesy to posters. You are not required to agree with any one else's opinions or views on the Constitution or anything else to post in this section but you are required to be courteous and respectful of others.

Amethyst

i appreciate amethyst for being protective. really.

but i also appreciate the republican for showing what republicans do for people whose opinions differ.
republicans also disrespect the very poor -- although they, when running for office are quick to count the poor among "their" fellow americans. like MASTERS counting their SLAVES which sickens the HUMANITY in me.

republicans also do a dirty trick (the book Dirty Politics by Professor Jameson of the U of Penn was invaluable) taught me about republican tactics - like doing a crass fake laugh when not agreed with -- or accusing whoever does not agree of mental illness and REFUSING COMPLETELY to meet that person on a debating floor.

the point is to maintain a totalitarian grip on power, that's the part with behaving as if they have been insulted to the heart if anyone DARES have a beef with the chronic social problems of the United States -- and draw a line to Constitutional Republic.

so i still invite debate, since ad-hominem methods of arguing have been called into play. I see Republicans as the false friends of freedom and as the false friends of Religion as well, I will have strong words for Republicans as I see them as being sort of cruel and insincere, and hungry for ALL the power.

As a lapsed Democrat but someone who LOVES the percepts of Democracy, my take is that most americans have been all but completely DECIEVED as far as knowing what Democracy means, and what their VOTES mean, and that there is a sort of republican that wishes they lived in a Monarchy in the United States, and who argues that way, like a dog loosed on anyone who questions the Constitution as being TOO OLD TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE MODERN United States.

i feel like histrionics and dirty word games will be substituted by Republicans rather than debating the political science of "it all" - and I hope it means that The Elephant is afraid of something and about to give up and fall over, and stop ruling.

To me it is time for the rule of the people to be more than the rule of law: that's not revolution but calm, human alteration of the way things are done. with what was reported of diebold, the United States is veryclose to Technarchy or Corpocracy. that must be stopped and living thinking humans have to interpose our human hands.

accusing me of mental illness is a sixth grader's game, like calling me a "dork". Given that human lives are on the line as regards the way the Federal Infrastructure is reformed -- or not -- i find it rather a case of pot and kettle...

genniii · 2008-01-31 06:59:04

For the life of me
as far as political parties go
I really dont see much difference twixt Democrats and Republicans

as far as differences twixt
I am not seeing a whole lot of differences twixt the citizens of any country as being different than any other country

Yes I am an American and I hold dear That Statue in the New York City Harbor of

The New Colossus” by Emma Lazarus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles.
From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!"” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

And I do consider The United States Constitution to be the Guardian Script of that Golden Door from which the Light of Freedom shines Hope to all the World.

And I do know it has become fashionable for many around the world to speak of what American Corporatocracy and it's handmaidens the politicians have begotten in this Modern World and point fingers at the more common citizens of this land in rebuke.
However I have yet to see any other nation hold up a shinier lantern of Freedom to illuminate a troubled Planet's People who all want to eat, be sheltered, enjoy life and leave a better world for their children.
I have yet to see any other Nation or Religion offer any higher Ideals whether followed or not.

This modern Revisionism to pummel down the ideals to fit a more realistic reality to me is a wee bit dysfunctional.
I would say the reality is in need of rising higher to be able to accommodate the loftier rather than have the Lamp Light turned down to fit into the contracted misapplications of backwards progress.

organic · 2008-01-31 16:58:03

genniii wrote:
And I do consider The United States Constitution to be the Guardian Script of that Golden Door from which the Light of Freedom shines Hope to all the World.

And I do know it has become fashionable for many around the world to speak of what American Corporatocracy and it's handmaidens the politicians have begotten in this Modern World and point fingers at the more common citizens of this land in rebuke.
However I have yet to see any other nation hold up a shinier lantern of Freedom to illuminate a troubled Planet's People who all want to eat, be sheltered, enjoy life and leave a better world for their children.
I have yet to see any other Nation or Religion offer any higher Ideals whether followed or not.

This modern Revisionism to pummel down the ideals to fit a more realistic reality to me is a wee bit dysfunctional.
I would say the reality is in need of rising higher to be able to accommodate the loftier rather than have the Lamp Light turned down to fit into the contracted misapplications of backwards progress.

Beautifully said...

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