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cataleptik · 2008-01-27 09:01:24

it was awesome when the Republicans showed up in the forums where "aliens" were being discussed, pretending that they wanted to help. It's pretty clear that there aren't ANY real Republicans who would buck the current Bush-dominant party agenda -- the agenda of DENIAL active and utter that has held since Truman and Eisenhower, basically.

When I say Republicans, I speak purely. Like Plato.

very simply: there are people participating here who represent the mentality of the OLD AGE, as in,
not the new age, not what is progressive, but the calcified, the recent and the ancient past. i know it fro the word Namaster, i know it from the upholding of Republican view...

the Ariyans took over the Dravidian earth-toned people in 1469 b.c, with a draconian approach to law and an impersonalist approach to life that DIRECTLY inspired Adolf Hitler. It was there way or no way at all -- and blood and enslavement and spreading religion by the sword went along with them.

That was an old age, specifically the Age of Aries. In addition, Plato, the author of Republic was around enough that he could write about the fall of Atlantis.

The Atlanteans and their culture MAY be written of in the bible. There certainly is a flood.

But what is certain is that those who have ruled the world are obsolete and yet, with lies and with venal, prejudice afflicted attitudes they will grasp the power structures they have and grasp tight until their fingers are prided loose by evolved minds and hearts, and some have said that it is simply the children who can't get along who will be removed from the play ground. A lot of people hope so.

There is a great epochal seriousness to the Imperialism of George Bush and his sons. The Sousource is eternal, people can speak of it without having to trance channel. The source is eternal and can watch 'outside of time' for the earth people to align with trheir planet. but in the meantime --

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cataleptik · 2008-01-27 09:10:25

I don't use that word Namaste, it has everything to do with tyrants, false gods, and every hovel and whorehouse in India downwind from monasteries and rajahs and their GOLD, when I see it or hear it I think of sutio, the practice of muurdering by fire the wives of Brahmins after their warrior husbands have died. A great evil that has persisted since the 1400s b.c. by simply denying that it did what it did, and then doing so.

Arranged marriages that deny the heart's desire, enslavement and castration, racism and all that westerners close their eyes to -- all the evil in thousands of years of Imperialist domination of the planet.

This is gibberish to some people who I KNOW as sure as I know the Bible will come up and attempt to message to the effect that what I am saying is wrong.

They represent the old age, they represent military industrial doublethink and the decent into dystopia, and that, I propose, is why they are here monitoring discussions of the many what-ifs the appearance of the Starship Capricorn letters suggests...they don't want a new age of freedom and unity as is predicted suggested and provided by the sign of the water bearer as uits new age rises. insteard, the grasping of those who have power and do not want to let it go.

Imagine the shock in the dravidian subcontinent when the English Raj came to whitely rule them? Imagine the shock in Timbuktu and the fallen great cities of Africa when Imperialists of white extraction came to rule. All that ENDS in this new age, and I don't need to be a trance channeler to relate that. I just need to be the astrologer that I am, knowing that the tyrants of the old age would rather manipulate the world to nuclear war rather than cede power to the minds and hearts of the new age. But they have no choice, and they will lie and lie and cede powweer.er. They will do s denyingh, they will do so hand wringing and seeking ways to maintain footholds, but it is evolution....as is the very idea of nion -earth centered intelligences wishing to communicate with humanity.

as is alluded to by the Starship capricorn letters.

the idea of free energy, an end to the waste that is nuclear and fossil fuel, and end to scut work and slave labour and freedom for all -- it is bad for NO ONE WHATSOEVER, and could accompany a great deal of happiness.

it leaves us with the svastica culture demanding to be allowed to rule the planet indefinitely, and vowing to knock the planet off its axis with nuclear hellfire if not allowed to go on rulking. this is whty Aquartius ends forver and ever, it is the monstrosity of centuries, and i will fix the typos later.

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 09:33:33

what the N. E. S. A. R. A. activists face is the cusp of ages, one age ending in futility and fumbling while the newer age has all the answers.

The minions of the age of pisces are the repositories of all the guilt of the years of torture and hate and bad wisdom.
What was believed or could be impressed into seeming truth via conditioning was accepted and nurtured, and the knowledgable were sacrificed -- from the lesson of the Christ, to Giordano Bruno and Galileo and the 14th century astrologers, silenced by Pope Gregory -- to Nikolai Tesla and Valerie Plame in our era.

Every time it was to support the reign of the stupid and brutal, it was to maintain the delusion that there was some bliss in ignorance. The age of aquarius washes all that away....

...but a frozen opinion based on trauma, almost like a spiritual post traumatic stress disorder coming often from people who have suffered soul 8njuuries in past lives projects past disasters onto the future, saying that there MUST be a disaster, comet smashing planet, nuclear war and winter, disease -- SOME disaster in the future,some shit that goes wrong because that has been the past. and just like that that is the choice NOT to embrace the new age.

in the 1990s there was a peak in awareness and people were bothered. They saw that Mutant Message Down Under and the Celestine Prophecies could do what Jesus did in a very real way -- teach people how to be liberated and free from the delusion that they needed to be told when to take a dump and how much to eat, told how to make love and raise children.

Those who have ruled since the Romans despised Christ enough to pay Judas and then write their own version (the bible most of the world accepts as the whole article)_feared and despised the messages of the Celestine Prophecies and MMDU.

They claimed to be "suspicious" but it goes beyond that. They knew their time was running out. Now they lie feverishly and show what has been called Ultimate Nescience -- because they the physical universe itself is changeing

In this same way the so called'Hippies: were despised and infiltrated --

and in t5he same way 'make love not war' is far more sane now than it even was then. But the old tactics are being employed by the true psychic tyrants.

Drunvalo Melchizedek describes the coming to Earth of these Denial Spirits as the first great environmental catastrophe. The right use of will series of channeled materials about universal origins and cosmic personal reality describes an energy that came out of the Blue section of born spectral energies that came to Earth/Gaia to place her on a pattern of evolution that was ALIEN to her, one she as a living entity never intended.

we can see all this in the Brahman religion of Impersonalism, that says that it is not this body. It is not.

it is ancient energy that has always denied the divine feminine, that where Matter gets its name from the Magna Deum Mater, the Great Mother birth giving divine energy, that has been suppressed by many different religiousities, resulting...

....questioning, atheism, many have even chosen Satanism because the idea of a God with a weak Maternal unit made no sesne at all. and all this is dand all that is dying, it is dying now, and the view of a balanced life is coming to be, and the old paradigms of dominator consciousness go away, to what some would call Hell.

For many years the tools have been here for people to enjoy relaxed and balanced existance without war -- it has required massive DECEPTION for those who rule to keep people believing they were fit to rule, and that life without them was suicide....

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 19:14:56

according to exopolitical writer M. Salla: "debunking and psychological profiling has been used
to divide the UFO/exopolitical community by creating needless conflict
and unproductive emotional exchanges by individuals trying to make
sense of a very complex phenomenon."

Salla went on to use the wikipedia definition of an internet troll.

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who
posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online
discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an
emotional response."

It's a typical pattern of the Republican ruling classes to use dehumanizing tactics to try to enforce their methods of ruling situations. But what is more insidiously Republican - and important because Salla is in charge of a small group of extraterrestrial discussers -- is implying that there is something wrong about wanting to get an emotional response.

q: why would people want an unemotional response? Flat, lifeless, dull like an android -- or some of the descriptions of the grey "Zeta Reticulans"?

The legend of the ZR is that they abandoned the dynamism of their species two-gendered nature and became masculine/androgynous, to win in wars. Later their situation necessitated their coming to the Earth -- to steal genetic material.

with such a huge idea being downplayed as conspiracy theory, fiction, urban legend, it never happened -- to be emotionless? to be dull witted, flat, passionless>? if it is true that the psychotronic weapons that the U.S. and Russian governments have employed have come to those governments via extraterrestrial help, it is cause for wonder and concern.

the 'trust no one' attitude is asking for mental imbalance, it's practically suicidal. at the same time, people who get messages that SEEM loving from non - terrestrial who then assume that such entities can not lie -- even though dates have been given for certain events -- --

there's something going on, but what stands as a glaring barrier to the development of events is the existance of the missile shield that isn't. The so called Star Wars missile shield IS NOT a missile shield, although it does have a tactical use - it's there to accelerate the warming of the globe.

discussion of this makes Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Cheney smile the same fake smile some pols smile when asked about Campaign Finance Reform.

while people have the same old discussions over and over and over, weaponry is being utilized by the ruling classes to dampen the part of the human mind that could effectively react. The controversial religion/cult Scientology talks about something called the Reactive Mind, and despises it, talks about neutralizing it and transforming everyone into THETA.

Not so much coincidentally but on purpose Theta is the designation of a brain wavelength that has to do with the conditioning of secret "perfect assassins" -- people who have been programmed to do the bidding of Novus Ordo Seculorum.

there are two reactions here. one is you shut down. you look for a way to attack whoever is talking about this, you look for a way to attack the logic i am using, you look for some weak point in the logic. and that means it's working, as what the whole thing comes down to is MIND CONTROL as an alternative to fair and equitable government that is democratic and allows freedom

and what does it have to do with the subject of this forum?

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 19:28:12

Anyone who has followed Lavar's messages has seen the complaint: space is militarized, and not only is the reigning party lying about non Earth originating visitors, they are shooting at them.

But also I felt a wave of resignation because since 9.11.01 people have taken the attitude of sitting back and waiting for messages from elsewhere that tell them what to do and say and how to react. What that leaves is those who are already dug in and entrenched -- the New World Order as they have called themselves for centuries -- being THE ONLY ONES who take a direct-action stance -- and those who believe that we are being visited doing NOTHING but waiting for psychics to give them clues, and then doing nothing again and waiting, like the lotos-eaters of the Oddessey, like ADDICTS. Doing nothing.

So much information has come from these entities, that MAY in fact be HUMANS, expatriate humans who abandoned the Earth centuries ago. As long as the Eisenhower-era party line of active denial is maintained and allowed to stand we have little else to do but conjecture (or so it would seem.)

And they want that. Because there HAVE been secrets, ever since "flugelraden" were sighted over Germany accompanying the Luftwaffe German Air force, saucer like vessels of origin suspect - Since then there have been secrets, and as such...

there HAVE to be some who know what those secrets are and intend to profit from being those in the know. That is what creates a cognitive elite, people who have secret, priveleged knowledge which they LIE about so to rule as many others as they can sucker.

cataleptik · 2008-01-27 19:32:21

But I was ABOUT to look for quotes from whatever the source of the messages coming to Lavar are, whether they are an actual visitor (i suspect but don't KNOW) or the science-fictiony inner mind of Lavar (i doubt it but it is a possibility) when I realised: who's gonna DO anything or have any type of reaction? I wonder if those people are not in their teen years right now?

The people here will whine about "protecting the Republic."

The Republic began at a time when women had NO EQUALITY before the law. A woman who spoke out of turn could have her hair burnt off as a message. Slavery was RAMPANT and such mode of governance went all but unquestioned until the Hell Fire Club founded the American Government.

Plato, author of Republic, despised the people. But of course...who's gonna do anything about it?

People seem afraid to show they have passion. And there we enter a very sad scenario where people assume, 'well, it's the end of the world, let's just accept the will of God and prepare for ascension. even if our bodies are destroyed, we will go to heaven. Not the void. Not us."

Amethyst · 2008-01-28 00:10:35

cataleptik wrote:
what the N. E. S. A. R. A. activists face is the cusp of ages, one age ending in futility and fumbling while the newer age has all the answers.

The minions of the age of Pisces are the repositories of all the guilt of the years of torture and hate and bad wisdom.....The age of Aquarius washes all that away....

...but a frozen opinion based on trauma, almost like a spiritual post traumatic stress disorder coming often from people who have suffered soul injuries in past lives projects past disasters onto the future, saying that there MUST be a disaster, comet smashing planet, nuclear war and winter, disease -- SOME disaster in the future,some shit that goes wrong because that has been the past and...that is the choice NOT to embrace the new age.....

......Iit is ancient energy that has always denied the divine feminine, that where Matter gets its name from the Magna Deum Mater, the Great Mother birth giving divine energy, that has been suppressed by many different religiousities, resulting...

....questioning, atheism, many have even chosen Satanism because the idea of a God with a weak Maternal unit made no sense at all.....and all that is dying, it is dying now, and the view of a balanced life is coming to be, and the old paradigms of dominator consciousness go away, to what some would call Hell.

For many years the tools have been here for people to enjoy relaxed and balanced existence without war -- it has required massive DECEPTION for those who rule to keep people believing they were fit to rule, and that life without them was suicide....

Very well said, Catelpic.

....because the idea of a God with a weak Maternal unit made no sense at all.....and all that is dying, it is dying now, and the view of a balanced life is coming to be, and the old paradigms of dominator consciousness go away, to what some would call Hell......

Amethyst

cataleptik · 2008-01-28 03:46:05

well, amythyst,

that's "it" in a nutshell as we enter this period of transition, this time of ages changing,
the role of the divine feminine as slave - it is what the empires of the past depended on
all in a state of denial. that women would kowtow without being told to out of fear of "whatever"--
that ideas of the divine feminine would be viewed as bad witchcraft or delusion, that entities
like Kali, Artemis and so forth would be FEARED and viewed as demonic rather than known to be related to the people living --

that was a cat in the bag, or worms in a can, which are OUT now, and that realisation is having divine effect.

for the old paradigm, the paradigm that supports Pervez and George W., masters of intimate intimidation and the bloodless coup d'etat -- the idea of feminine empowerment is a perverse absurdity, wrong, can't happen.

Because it is their weakest of their many weak points. This is why they NEED psychotronic manipulation -- to keep people thinking that they are happy artificially, when they are in fact morosely uncomfortable.

In the classical greek period a great play about women refusing to have sex with their warrior husbands was produced to wry chuckles. Lysistrata was a farce in the early period when it was first written, but I have the feeling that it was also epochally prophetic.

That was the same culture that gave us the legend of Uranus smiting Kronus and liberating the people, the same culture that gave the Gnostics their name, from Knossus of the Cretan period, of perhaps golden age.

It's a shocker to believe but there are more than a few concepts that cover the entire period of 2000 years just ending. the ruling classes lie and are paranoid because there have always been tools to depose them and permanently put them out of power so that they can NEVER get back in.

in a short time i think that the logical positivist view of 2012 will assert itself -- that by cognition the world will change in such a fundamental way -- for the better - that those who have preached that change only comes through atlantis/y2k/s.11 type calamity are finally wrong -- their time is up.

it is they who have been the unseen hidden fuel of terrorism,
i believe they are on the verge of denying themselves out of existance and taking their addiction to short attention span with them.

hence "the end of time" as in not the end of life, but the realisation of the mundane fact of time's relativity. I know there is someone I love somewhere in Micronesia right now, and her clocks say different things than the ones here in the New York corridor.

that is the simple way of understanding that time is a lie, as the astrologer linda goodman put it.

ask yourself why the Norse gods seem to rule the calendars of every nation, Thor for Thursday, Frey for Friday?

ask yourself what that has to do with right now? If we are to take their calendars has having meaning and yet ignore those Auld gods as being superstition, all the contradictions and lies that they use to rule and decieve the whole world are glaringly exposed.

their argument is the same insane argument then as was during the cold war -- we need a hot war, a big thermonuclear bang to clear everything out. that's their sick, guilty "logic" that was once called mutually assured destruction or MAD.

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THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BENEFITS FROM A GREAT DECEPTION!
IT HAS TO DO WITH TREASON ON BEHALF OF AMERICAN INDUSTRIALISTS
AT THE TIME OF THE WAR AGAINST HITLER.

The treason has followed the bloodlines of Prescott and Samuel Bush,
and since the Nuremburg trials a FALSE version of the world's political system
has been taught in SCHOOLS -- the role being to allow treasoners to smile poisonously
and get away with what amounts to Hitler getting what he said he wanted many yesterdays ago.

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IT HAS TO DO WITH TREASON, WITH NAZIS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ALLIED/AXIS BORDERS,
AND LIES TOLD ON TOP OF LIES. And there is the cause of your economic restoration slowdown right now.

It's because N. E. S. A. R. A. is NOT INSANE! The insanity of war is meant to be interpreted as necessary, and as such, it is up to people to 'wake up' out of the slumber, and see the inheritors of the greedy treason that was
the Trading With The Enemy Scandal of 1941.

It really DID require a false version of events.

What it comes down to is that since the end of fighting ("V-E" Day and "V-J" Day) a false version of events has been promulgated, and whole generations have been decieved, hoodwinked.

To wit: the creation of the modern state of Israel. Pretty crucial right? As well as the modern state of North Korea.

Had it not been for the treason of George W. Bush's GRANDFATHER -- which was headline news for a couple of days and then covered up -- everything would have been different.

Now the argument is that those who "benefit" from this treason are immune to international justice -- that Rumsfeld, Cheney, Brziensky and George Herbert Walker Bush cannot be tried in the same way that Robert Mugabe fears and that Slobodan Milosevic died before seeing the conclusion of.

The ICJ is where it all has to go down to, and in the meantime they will be presenting many lies. The American presidential election is practically already decided by DIEBOLD Corporation. It's not the end of the world by any margin -- but maintaining TERROR by keeping people THINKING that the end is near is how they rule.

There are only a few of them. It is lies that make them look big.

cataleptik · 2008-01-28 03:56:18

the idea is something that started with James Redmond, and with Jose Arguelles for me.

and are we supposed to think "wow, that sure was an awful LONG time ago...it's not relevant anymore, so much has changed."

remember how hippies were treated forty years ago?> fire hoses. hate from the Establishment and what later was pegged The Phallocracy. Why? Because "make love not war" is still THE HEART OF SANITY.

And the warmongers were insane people and still are.

the implication is that INSANE PEOPLE RUN THE WORLD. they do. It's...not an opinion. They are insane.

As in: the evolved culture that would support a NESARA would have to be able to make a real direct representational democracy happen, and put Republican thought away once and for all -- and do it without waging war.

warmongering, the 'do as we say or the death to you' method has been the tool of Republicans since centurious marched with scutum and gladius, since the time of Etruscans and Phoenicians.

IN ALL THIS TIME LITTLE HAS CHANGED!

cataleptik · 2008-01-28 04:11:54

There's one argument that says that people who want NESARA have to just start forgiving debts and working together to create a world-within-the-world and building up from that point. I SORT of agree...but there is a thing to being irresponsible.

Pakistan just had its 9/11, did you notice?

the way that the Illuminists do things is to create crisis after crisis. s.11 was created. they deny it, but Osama Bin Laden and the Al Caida/Taleban were TRAINED by Cheney and Haig and Powell and those Reaganites PERSONALLY, when the goal on the table was waging war with the USSR.

s.11 was created. the 3.11 in Madrid was created and Socialists moved in to take positons of power.
the Bali disaster was created and deny, deny...actively deny...has been the policy of the NWO. They want to rule INDEFINITELY, and personally i see it as being something of personal responsibility. as in: there are an awful lot of "channelers." i will put some links up. they channel Isis, they channel Jesus...

why don't they produce some real world miracles? because they are conduits, they are not themselves the entities.

and the negative effect has been to create ADDICTS -- channeling addicts who when they are not channeling can do next to NOTHING.

that has been a substitute for real enlightenment.

the whole attitude that yang must win a war over yin, well, if you have ever heard of koyaanisqatsi and know what the word means, than you can see that imbalance is being promoted as divine wisdom. and there's a lot WRONG with that.

the evidence is in the inaction. When Jane Roberts channeled the entity known as "Seth" when it was done with her she UP AND DIED. Nothing left, as if the energy was too strong for her body, as if she had been VAMPIRED.

That's real stuff...mediumship is a responsibility.

There are also others who are more responsible who have pointed out that not every extradimensional entity may have the happiness of earth people in mind.

since the 1940s there has been denial and deception on the part of the ruling classes as far as what non - earth originating life is, and behind the veil of deception --

the cure for every illness. the end of slavery and slave-like labour. but how could those who have ruled and passed rule on for centuries dominate anyone if the people were liberated by some sort of miracle?

for the very same reason Imperial Rome despised "Jesus" when he appeared. Because he was teaching magic arts. Raising the dead. One telling tells that El-Leazar, the one history calls Lazarus, was put to death by Imperial decree. So a "Jesus" raising him from the dead with divine magic -- well, who would fear the Imperium if lots and lots of people gained that wisdom?

The same Imperial Rome that ordered the execution of that Jesus is the same Imperial Rome that went into the world painting its sheilds red with the blood of all who refused to submit to being ruled by the Roman Republic and the Holy Roman Empire -- and we face that SAME religious and military empire today.

What a good trick, taking all the writings of and about "Jesus Christ" and publishing edited versions to make it seem like they supported him?

this has caused centuries of people going INSANE trying to understand how the Prince of Peace could be the mascot of the biggest warmongering empire in history. And the evil insane will lie and lie to our faces until there is awakening.

To sit by and watch Beneseer Bhuddo be destroyed by a state sanctioned assassination -- while talking about $$$$ is that where NESARA is right now? Yes and now. Because the forces are exactly and objectively antichrist, what they do is lie. Lie again, lie some more, torture, threaten and foment greed and promote base ignorance.

The people who desire NESARA have to have the heart's innocence and yet the mature human integrity to see through all those generations of lies and pull up answers. Like tyrants, they will smile and lie facilely as they have lied, because fascists can not see anyone but themselves being the power players.

But the whole world is changing. ascension was and is real, and we live in a different physical universe than we did in the Summer of Love. It's more possible now, is what i am saying.

or you can settle for Ron Paul and Barack "I am Not a COINTELPRO stooge" Obama.

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