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Sotapanno,
I hang on to this site, I really do and hope there really is something going on out there for the whole of humanity, because if there isn't we really are stuffed, but please honour me with some intelligence here. I am an Electrical engineer and VERY open minded about all the Alien agenda, free energies and everything else on the internet.

You are supposedly defending a superior race that can travel across galaxies in times we cannot even comprehend, with technologies we cannot comprehend and the ability to materialise, dematerialise, can cloak spacecraft at will, can travel undetected across our planet, can clear up our Oceans with their technology and they cant connect to the internet????

At first contact, were they not "going to take over all the TV stations", so no disinfo can be put out?

Can you not understand my suspicion here??


My comment "surely to God" is a usual comment I make, and is no way referenced to God in any context, its an English term, thats all.


With Love and respect

Lofty

Lofty wrote:

You are supposedly defending a superior race that can travel across galaxies in times we cannot even comprehend, with technologies we cannot comprehend and the ability to materialise, dematerialise, can cloak spacecraft at will, can travel undetected across our planet, can clear up our Oceans with their technology and they cant connect to the internet????

At first contact, were they not "going to take over all the TV stations", so no disinfo can be put out?

Can you not understand my suspicion here??

Lofty

Well said! I'm sure many of you here still remember how about 2 years ago Helena said that they were working on something that would allow people to contact them via Internet. They kept on giving time frames as to when that system would be up and running, but nothing. And now there hasn't been any mention of it in a long time.

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Lets get one thing straight here.
No way am I having a go at Lavar, I am sure his intentions are nothing but for the good of this planet.

I guess we are all getting frustrated at timings etc. but this then leads to deeper discernment and suspicion.

Maybe there could be something lost in translation of the messages, I dont know.

What ever is coming, just bring it on please.

I cannot understand with this technology why there is a big wait, while millions still suffer and the dark forces are given more time to regroup and try another angle at enslaving us. And yes I do understand Universal Law.

Lofty

I agree, Sotapanno, 'Free Will' is the basis.

We have to do it, we borrowed the planet from GOD.

Aliens, must inspirer us(as GOD told them, to do so) to take self's iniatives by humans, they -Aliens- sometimes express them self's a little bit contradictional, but yet , they already gave proofs in the form of ' significal '_SIGNS and who goes in a certain RIGHT DIRECTION!!!! and also 'They are the only, also, with A CERTAIN KIND OF PLAN' FOR THE FUTURE and in devotion for MANKIND.

All the other (science)organisations/(orthodox)religions(And there FALSE exponents)etc. etc. , talks mostly only about a kind of 'coming Christ' vague and TALKS/WRITE nothing about A PLAN/a working-direction FOR THE NEARBY FUTURE etc..
And while 'sciences' also in the Here and Now, talks more and more about now, that "Only a MIRACLE, can save humanity/the planet",
SCIENCE, THEY ALSO DON'T HAVE A TOTAL SOLUTION and for the nearby FUTURE!

Where did you find a certain plan for man and his future????, ...... I only found out -and I have been searching many decades- only with the Maitreya and Sananda(NESARA) masters and who have been assimilating -which is true, only a certain UN(United Nations) VISIONS etc.. yet it goes, for sure, much further and far beyond the UN- intensions.

Last edited by Jaya (2008-01-21 09:59:56)

Sananda/Helena?: " ASSURED; assured that there will be some dramatic changes in your
government and that these changes will allow for our shuttles to
come-and-go among you, at long last. "

The only assurance is the still the GREAT NOTHINGNESS and which is identical to "Love beyond words"(our common first- & Buddha-nature).

They are not perfect, Helena/Sananda etc., that's why not even throughout 'teleportation' they are even able to infiltrate on Internet and like the way, WE would like it - directly en daily and with the Masters them self's- total up to date; is the same sad story of Maitreya; otherwise he already would have his daily messengers on his own Maitreya-website AND to humanity: now we al are depended on Share and Benjamin Creme
(as far Maitreya is concerned) and who looks like to often a 'good willing clown' with to much contradictions.

I want to reveal that (the)Vishnu('s) are the creators of the Elohim and while on there turn they, the Elohim, are the (DNA) creators of mankind and with started by the  Genetic Engineering of the Bible-EVE; Hebrew ' Elohim ' is also/means(is wrong translated) ' God's - more than one God/-'they who come from heaven' instead of just 'God'.

While the Elohim where Cloning Eve(Adam) in the area called Israel, these day's, on the same time the Vishnu's where Cloning some humans in a area and which we know as South-America, these day's; so to me The (Maha)Vishnu's(GOD) are the proof the DNA-creators existence - as well the creators of humanity, more than the Elohim(and who only where Cloning partly humans).

I want to go straight to Vishnu-loca; to ask Maha-Vishnu if he accepts that the 'Elohim' and me, now, will visiting him soon; Versus_ It ever has been a failure-mission for the Elohim and who went on search for there Creator(s) throughout the Universes; While no-where they could find there DNA-creators(read also Rael's book ' 'Messengers of Extraterresials'/You can for free download it, on there website).
So that Maha Vishnu will assure us and also scientifically that by his Akhasa's and BiocemicalQuantum-PC he will proof this indeed.

If I'm with Maha-Vishnu, and this PROOF's to be the Truth; than Maitreya can proof this also than to Humanity, that de Vishnu's are - and not the Elohim, the 'DNA-creators existence' of the Elohim en Humans, both.



When I don't get a proof of this and towards humanity; than this whole thing, remains a mystery.
Than Maitreya, Sananda, the Elohim, humanity, no one knows than, who the DNA_creators are of the creators(partly at least?) of humanity.

An other risk is that there is no guaranty for myself's, that I will come back to Earth, to tell humanity my self's and about this Truth, Yes or No,
and till so far; and about this Mystery; yet the Maitreya, than still at least must be able to make there a declaration about it, and 'cause at least the Maitreya should have to follow me up to Vishna-Loca and from on the year 2012/2013; so that the Matreya will know this as well and by this, some times later humanty!

This knowledge than will transform this wicked-society, slowly but for sure, into a Super-ONE!

I will try to let this 'see' by Film/TV/Media to the whole world, and before ....." I want to go straight to Vishnu-loca; to ask Maha-Vishnu "

or maybe otherwise afther ......" An other risk is that there is no guaranty for myself's, that I will come back to Earth, to tell humanity my self's and about this Truth, Yes or No, " AND WHEN I THAN MIGHT COME BACK!

yeah, well,
to date no one has helped enough.  one has to realise: the rulership in the united states are a junta, they are a military wing pretending to be representatives of freedom. 

what they represent are the people who have been lying about interplanetary contact since it BEGAN.  they are hushing it up and they will PROUDLY continue to...what's really happening is: people have to kick them out and take control of world government and create something that is fair. they are raining on everyone's parade...until that happens, there will remain the standing 'shoot to kill' order on any visitor that is intelligent and not Draconian.


at this point I am expecting that Helene looks a LOT like a kind ancestor of ours.  the idea that Helene's shipmates are expatriate earth people who left to GET AWAY from Bush's progenitors - i don't know if that is what is happening or not but at this point it would not be surprising.

they are shooting at anything that tries to land.

until THEY are out of power,
this will be the sort of message.

unless i am mistaken. am i?

Communication with Helena, Commander of Starship Capricorn 01/31/08:

" There are great events that are transpiring this week in your
country and these events will reverberate throughout the world. ": What did we all notice of this all!!???...and right NOW!!!???

Sotapanno wrote:

Lofty wrote:

"However, there are none that we can communicate with until we have some access
to your Internet".

You mean they dont have the technology to patch into the internet??????

I can patch in with a 3 G card anywhere on the planet.

They are not on the planet now, are they?


Credibility !!! ???.... this is very funny indeed. You do realize that the majority of people on Earth, and that includes most military personel, find this very topic, this very forum, and with it all the people involved with this forum, as having absolutely no credibility at all?

It is you and I who in their eyes have no credibility. Not one ounce, not even a miligram of credibility. We all here are complete nut-cases who need psychiatric help.


Sotapanno

edited to for some typo's

they might be on the planet and not saying so.

also


to some military personnel
the idea of laughing this off is just a cover and this is taken very seriously
and watched very closely. 

you MUST know that non terrestrial intelligences are real
and part of the coverup is the attitude that anyone who investigates them is insane,
and it has been done that way -- with fake laughter and fake derisiveness, because they are guilty of lying to the world....please, accept that.  they are lying to the world because things like FREE ENERGY would make all oil wars a waste of time.  they don't want to be deposed, and so they are stretching things out for as long as they can.


do you have any pictures of deep underground military bases? because I have some pictures of area fifty one.
i am sure that they connect...

i just wonder what you mean, because i think in our urge to embrace allegedly "superior" beings we may be omitting one possibility, that of simple misunderstandings.  such as we are dealing with sentient beings who may have different contexts for communication.  the japanese word "hei" meaning yes in english, the affirmative, and the english word "hi" being a greeting -- but they are different words, and there could be confusion.

we - i don't KNOW but i have heard talk of "light based" life forms...and so if we are dealing with light beings,
the very idea of the way WE measure time...

also mercury is retrograding right now. i'm sort of curious about things like "DNA correcting",
as in what that means, what the differences that we as earth humans can expect...

and i am also really curious about this: are some of those communicating along with Sekhmet Earth expatriates?

because legends of cat headed beings are multiple in the ancient world...and while we may be misunderstanding Sananda, Helene and co: that Kissinger, Putin and their ilk are lying to the world is DEFINITE.

maybe it is part of ascension. actually, devoted jaya,
i bet it is more like the greater part of ascension...those who wish to realise it must learn to live without the tyranny of time determining our action choices, and undermining our wills...

i have noticed something. Barack Obama seems completely the sort of character who knows JUST what to say to make people feel patriotic, inspired -- and then back up NONE of it with action.  he seems a true con man, a self-salesman who is manipulating people because of heartbreaks and disappointments they had in the 1960s civil rights eras of riots and overt racist attacks...

i see it as a gesture of manipulation -- the long effect to get people's hopes up and then CRUELLY DASH THEM for so as to make people just give up hope for change. to get people excited and then exhaust them with inaction.

I'm saying He's Bush's Man, but it is an elaborate deception with an implication to the things we discuss here.  They are at war, not with terrorism, but against the chance of enlightenment.

think about it, seriously, jaya...

in the late sixties the SENTIMENT 'make love not war' was painted as "dangerous" - yet it was the living opposite of dangerous.

to get people to turn away from it -- and to lend their support to the Vietnam war and to the military leadership in general meant that a long range campaign of deception had to be put into play and it happened, and it was successful.

the effect was so deep and long run that now there is a psychological - psychic wall in our global culture -- that IMMEDIATELY begins to deny and decry certain areas - as "politically correct." (who WOULD NOT want to be correct about politics?")  Robert A. Wilson wrote several humourous - but very telling novels and books about the Illuminati and their general goals of keeping as many people as they could stupid, mentally disarmed, self - deceiving.  this is an OLD tactic, as old as the conspiracy that led to the death of Socrates...
this is my favorite statement, i repeat it often:

                                                        IN ALL THIS TIME LITTLE HAS CHANGED

Barack Obama is there to trigger people's feelings of sentiment about the causes that brought people together in the 1960s - civil rights, humanity.  But then he's gonna let everyone drop and do NOTHING except be "a company man", a supporter of the system.  We are not meant to see that he is a wedge for the Bushes to go on manipulating and controlling global society after George finishes his term...

just like McCain.  They are "Marduk's men" as the old OLD saying goes...

i wish i was wrong.  But this is how The Conspiracy operates. Robert Anton Wilson called it "Operation Mindfuck."

I fear that there is a GLOBAL  trend for people's cognitive abilities to self-abort when approaching deep thought and realisation about the methods in which their Conspiracy operates.  people shut down, they go into denial.

I have seen it here re: the constitution. Mindlessness -- they really are incapable, it seems, of consciously KNOWING that if they claim to be against Bush and for the Constitution, that Bush's "combine" of corporate stock holders and military and government shills as well as others who are part of their conspiracy -- media types like Tom Brokaw and Wolf Blitzer will USE CONSTITUTIONAL LAW against the cause of ACTUAL FREEDOM...as they have since the beginning, since the Algonqin were given alcohol to trick them into signing the original Declaration of Independence...

...there is a story where St Lecompt-Germain discusses the situation that native Americans faced at the beginning of the constitutional republic in America.

It is quite possible that those who Lavar discusses with are not immune to Mind Weapons.

if they are "light-based" aliens or beings with energy, not flesh bodies...

what Rumsfeld and Raytheon have created is an energy weapon -- a field that covers the GLOBE.

meaning that if they are coming within close enough to LAND that they are entering a field, an energy field that could have who knows what effects -- even effects that they are unable at present to neutralize. 

if they are here there have to be NUMEROUS reasons that they have not made a mass landing  and one of them could be that they have 'free energy' that would make the GOP oil lobby of petrol monarchists...obsolete.

and so to stay in power, they have a "shoot down" order as has been complained about repeatedly in Lavar's relays.

by Guy Cramer

In reviewing information disclosed through the Freedom Of Information Act concerning the initial concepts and bidding on HAARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Project), I came across relevant information that HAARP was not the best choice for the Project, this was to be the FIPA (Frequency-Independent Phased-array Antenna) FIPA patent# 5,274,390

The executive summary of HAARP indicates the best place for the Array was Poker Flat and not Gakona, Clear AFB was the optional choice for the HAARP location and has the power facility on site to supply a heater array of these proportions. Prime power at Clear Air Force Station is obtained from the station's coal-fired power plant, which is capable of producing 22.5 megawatts of power. (Clear AFB is a large DOD area located west of HIPAS [HIgh Power Auroral Stimulation], and is almost an equal distance from HIPAS as HAARP is to HIPAS) HAARP is run by U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate while Clear AFS is also under U.S. Air Force Space Command.

HAARP/HIPAS work in conjunction, however two arrays are not enough to steer the signal. The HAARP web site in 2001 discussed successful moon bounce experiments (done since the 1960's by HAM radio operators) see: HAARP array may use Moon as a reflector to reach distant targets on Earth to create Nuclear-Sized Explosions Without Radiation!. In order to target the moon you need a steerable array and three arrays minimum are required.

For those that think the HAARP array network is just a research program, think again: Look at this short demonstration of of what 1000 watts of microwave energy can produce from a grape cut in half (Movie 2). Multiply this effect by 3 million times as HAARP is 3 gigawatts of power (3 billion watts) now you just need a grape large enough for the array to feed from; see video of Large Artificial Electric Flame (LAEF) this sample pales to the (MAEF & EAEF) massive and extreme versions.

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they need our help and we have every reason to give it to them because pretty obviously the NWO archconspirators are planning to manipulate the world into civil disorder via contrived "false flag" disasters.

at stake: millions and millions of lives
true domestic tranquility
the ice caps
any shoreline populations
the all-important rain forest --

the really insane rule our planet and it is by cunning deception that they manage to remain in control.
it is the worst evil of monarchies and tyrannies that ever have been, and Obama is there to TRICK people, not to be a representative of equality like Mohandas Ghandi.  It's working  --