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So, I shall begin with this:

The story about Enoch (Henok in German) or Nokodemion, respectively, is well known within our group; excerpts from it can be found also in the OM. However, nothing was ever mentioned until now about the other things that transpired with Enoch nearly 12 billion years ago with regard to his peoples.

Even as far back as Sfath, your people requested that I remain silent until 1995.

Later on, this commitment of silence was reconfirmed too by Asket, then Semjase, Quetzal and yourself, Ptaah. Now that 1995 has begun, and you have given me your permission to talk about it, I want to offer my knowledge as I still recollect it:

After the great restitution movements by the peace fightertroops, following the end of the peace wars and peace times between all peoples and planets, Enoch's original tribes split into two lineages.

One lineage went its own way to the Lyrian territories, where they settled in another space-time configuration that deviates by a fraction of a second from this, our space-time, configuration.

They lived there, but only after they had inhabited other worlds and systems in other alien galactic regions for many billions of years that resulted in wars.

Subsequently, tribal emigrations occurred throughout space and ultimately culminated in another space-time configuration that deviates from ours by the fraction of a second.

The territory was located in the Lyra star system. For this reason, people continue to speak even to this day of the Lyrian territories and the Old Lyrians who, later on, had to return to our space-time configuration partly for exploration purposes and partly as a method of escape.

Consequently, they arrived on Earth and became active in the well-known things I have already mentioned.


Up to this point, this lineage retained all knowledge of their earliest origins, and from these earliest origins evolved the Pleiadians, or rather the Plejarans.


In their own language they call themselves by the identical name as their star cluster beyond the Pleiades, which is located in another space-time configuration and also deviates from our space-time configuration by a fraction of a second.



After breaking away from Enoch's ancient tribes approximately 12 billion years ago, the second lineage, ventured on a totally different route than that of the Lyrian group, if they may be called that. They, too, emigrated into other galaxies. But a mere 7 billion years ago, knowledge of their true, Ur-ancestry (Ur = most ancient origin, primeval) was lost.


Today they have absolutely no knowledge of their true heritage.

Hence, their chroniclers, historians and others created a different legend about their heritage that had nothing, or very little, in common with their true background any longer. This lineage consisted also of many diverse races, in the same manner as the Lyrian lineage.

However, in contrast to the Lyrians, who remained ready to fight at any time and steadily evolved toward an equilibrium from which emerged the peaceloving, well-balanced, highly developed Pleiadians, the second lineage reached that state far too quickly.

They led a good life on Mars until the planet become uninhabitable through cosmic influences. For this reason, the genetically-manipulated people had to leave that planet in ancient times and, subsequently, they settled on Earth. Over the course of time, they became terrestrial human beings whose true and genuine Ur-origin was within the regions and planets of Sirius.

Only the pyramids and gigantic monuments on Mars were left behind, abandoned, but stations remained operative for a long time even though all life on the planet had perished. One day all of this will be discovered by terrestrials, the genetically-manipulated people, and some of these sites will even be used once again.


Malona, or rather Phaeton, was destroyed in fratricidal wars by its genetically-manipulated inhabitants who had originally come from the Sirius regions, and who blew up the planet by diverting parts of an ocean into the subterranean or underwater magma chambers of a gigantic volcano.


The SOL System's Asteroid Belt contains fragments of this former planet, whose orbit was not where the Asteroid Belt is today but was located where Mars orbits the Sun today, and Mars at one time was located where the asteroid belt is today.


This position reversal was caused by immense upheavals in which the Destroyer (planet) played an important role. The planetary locations of Mars, Earth and Malona/Phaeton, and solar systems on the other side of our galaxy, in the Milky Way, where the two yellow races settled down, were selected as effective hide-outs by these races' benefactors, who were the conspirators for the escape of the genetically-manipulated people. Throughout the past, the refugees' hide-out locations were kept secret from the "creator-overlords" in fear that once the overlords determined the refugees' location, they would send out punitive expeditions to eliminate the fugitives. This danger remains in existence even today and, consequently, the Americans were extremely careless in sending into space probes revealing data on the Earth's location and descriptions of human beings.

If, by chance, this information should fall into the hands of the "creator-overlords", they would learn that the genetically-manipulated people, the terrestrials, somehow had survived and greatly multiplied over these past millions of years, and one would have to assume that attacks upon Earth and its inhabitants would be launched from the Sirius regions.



Such actions would result in the terrestrials' total elimination. The benefactors would not rush to aid the terrestrials, for they have withdrawn from our region long ago, shortly after their ventures to Earth, in fact, when they began fearing the genetically-manipulated people, the terrestrials, in much the same way the "creator-overlords" did formerly.


This fear, which also gripped the benefactors led to the eradication of the Earth peoples' ancestral records by way of various manipulations.


At this time, the benefactors elevated themselves to gods and exalted themselves above the terrestrial population, who rapidly became their vassals and believers.


Truthfully, in doing so, the benefactors very soon became the antithesis of benefactors. On one hand they hoped to make the genetically-manipulated people their subjects and that, on the other, many cults, religions, fratricide, family feuds and wars would be launched through this worship of gods, whereby the terrestrials, the genetically-manipulated people, would decimate and exterminate themselves. As a consequence, they, the gods, respectively former benefactors, hoped they would be free from the danger of the aggressive, barbaric terrestrial human life form.


This plan went completely awry, however, because terrestrial Man, who had become increasingly stronger, smarter, more barbarian and underhanded, began to enjoy his role and defended it to the last drop of blood with every conceivable means, ancient and modern.


Consequently, the genetically-manipulated population, now the inhabitants of Earth, totally slipped from the control of their former benefactors, respectively the gods, who, in turn, withdrew from the terrestrial human beings and from Earth -- but not before swearing revenge and demanding satisfaction in the future from the human population on Earth.


For the Old Lyrians, the benefactors' withdrawal paved their way to Earth and its human beings, and as they ventured to Earth on expeditions and in flight after leaving their space and time configuration, they entered our space-time configuration in the SOL System.



After a while they, too, comported themselves as gods and began causing havoc. The former benefactors of the genetically-manipulated population had no idea then, nor do they now, that these developments took place nor do they know about the existence of the Pleiadians, respectively the Plejarans.


The terrestrial, genetically-manipulated human beings, however, disobeyed the Lyrians and Pleiadian/Plejaran gods as well, although some of these gods attempted to force the terrestrials, such as the Gizeh Intelligences, Ashtar Sheran and the like, under their yoke and domination, using every conceivable means possible. The former benefactors divided into two groups also. One group included those individuals who had sworn vengeance against the terrestrials and later changed their minds, while the other group remained benevolent towards the terrestrials and hoped to one day return to Earth.


These "gods" alone from either group know what the future holds in store for us. Should they really return one day, terrestrials cannot expect that anything good will come from those who changed from being benefactors to malevolent personages, for, despite their change into evil-mindedness, they were unable to return to their Ur-habitat in the Sirius regions.



Due to their treason they were shunned as outcasts, and now they, too, must take great care to not divulge their whereabouts to the former "creator-overlords" --- or they may also become victims of their overlords' curse for revenge.


Despite their departure from Earth and the SOL System, these former benefactors, who had become addicted to their passion for revenge, nevertheless continued to maintain some contacts with Earth beings, and occasionally they even visit here.


During their contacts and visits they maliciously and falsely influence terrestrial individuals with erroneous messages, visions and similar things, in much the same way the dark elements among the Old Lyrians had done previously.

These are only occasional intrigues, however, which only occur, as a rule, in cultlike-religious-sectarian form and are of very little significance, for they usually only affect the Christian religions and not all terrestrial religions. Since their alienation, the two groups, consisting of the former and the current benefactors, have had no contact whatsoever with each other. Indeed, it is very likely that such mutual contacts were strictly forbidden and knowledge of the other group's existence was erased from memory, as Quetzal once assured me according a secret Pleiadian clarification.

Some rather astonishing things are revealed when the genetic manipulations performed by the Sirius-region "creator-overlords" on specific human beings that generated masses of fighters are scrutinized: By way of their evolution, the "creator-overlords" themselves had lost all their capabilities to fight. Their evolution was directed only toward opulence, knowledge, competence and so forth, while their own strength and capability to fight were completely eradicated.


Not only did they lose the stamina to fight but the capacity as well. When aggressors approached and threatened to annihilate these highly developed peoples, they had to find a solution to defend themselves against the attackers. To achieve this goal, they begot human beings into whom they implanted, through genetic manipulation, various forms of fighting capabilities along with an aging process factor as a precaution, whereby the genetically-altered people would soon become very old and die prematurely.


Such actions prevented the genetically-manipulated individuals from banding together and rising up against the "creator-overlords".


This precaution soon proved to hold true, for the genetically-altered people continuously increased in numbers, and they inherited their manipulated genes --- for all times.


Due to the ever-increasing numbers of these genetically-altered individuals, and their escalating aggressiveness toward the "creator-overlords", these fighters became a growing threat. For this reason, alternate ways of eliminating them were required by the overlords.



However, prior to the selection of the most appropriate methods, most of the genetically-altered people were able to flee and, with the help of the benefactors, they found a secure place as I have already explained. The genetically-manipulated people have since established themselves on Earth to the degree where they simultaneously became this planet's rulers and its destroyers, because most of them remained overly entangled in the effects of the manipulated genes of fighting, viciousness, barbarism, bloodthirstyness, greediness, addiction, emotionalism, inhumanities, to name but a few.




These characteristics have been an evil legacy for mankind from early times, and they also may actually be called the "original sin". Information regarding the "original sin" was erroneously handed down by Christian religions as the fable of Adam, Eve and the devilish snake in the Garden of Eden.



This "original sin", however, the genetic manipulation, repeatedly let the obsession for fighting and evil to surface from time immemorial --- almost becoming Evil itself. Yet, in fact, this entire matter is based upon the manipulation of single DNA gene that can be rectified, if only our geneticists were to finally discover it. This genetic manipulation, a characteristic for all living human beings on Earth by way of its inevitable, hereditary transmission, can be reversed and therefore by doing so, Man can finally escape his evil demeanor, which was imposed upon him by way of genetic manipulation. Although science has not yet sufficiently advanced in this field, scientists are nonetheless on the correct path.



For this reason alone there is ample justification today for continued progress in genetic research and genetic manipulation, despite objections by those who lack understanding, and others who vehemently reject these concepts and preach idiotic, religious nonsense against things they can neither prevent and nor impede. Terrestrial Man merely has to reverse the former specific genetic manipulation that compels him to resort to bloodshed and murder, bloodthirstiness, hatred, greed, addiction and all other inhumanities. Still, genetic manipulation of the fighting capabilities in the Creation-given Creational law and directive sense must not be reversed since the capability to fight is essential for Man's continued existence and evolution. Consequently, the same event must not occur that previously occurred with the "creator-overlords" who robbed themselves of this fighting capability and lost all of their strength to fight through manipulation of their own genes.



For this reason, they were no longer able to defend themselves against any aggressors who attacked them and this, in turn, resulted in their monstrous concept of manipulating human beings so they would become fighting machines through genetic alterations --- which, ultimately, precipitated new sets of problems. When the human beings who were genetically-altered into fighting machines by the "creator-overlords" are studied, evidence shows that they procreated, or rather bred specifically for this purpose as they were perfectly normal, indeed, even highly evolved human beings.

But they were rudimentarily altered physically through the manipulation of their genes. Prior physical traits reappeared and made these people, among other things, extremely resistant to environmental influences, and they displayed a certain barbarity. Throughout all of these genetic alterations, however, the proponents neglected to manipulate the genetic factor responsible for cognizance, memory, comprehension and compliance with the Creational-natural laws and directives --- everything that is balanced and good. This omission was completely intentional, for research had shown that this particular omission would provide a form of security against the genetically-manipulated people's complete degeneration.



The omission would always allow a degree of humaneness to surface and influence mankind's lives, actions and other factors, and thus provide some guarantee for the "creator-overlords" that genetically-manipulated individuals would not become viciously assaultive against them.


These specific desires were not fulfilled, though, except for the fact that the genetically-altered individuals did not become totally de-humanized or completely, utterly degenerated.



From the earliest times therefore, the prevailing factor of stability or goodness, respectively, always penetrated the genetically-altered people's consciousness.


Because of this factor over the past millions of years, viciousness has increasingly lost its significance although it remains quite evident, particularly within certain rulers, criminals, despots and others. Unfortunately, no one was previously aware that through the genetic manipulation, and the naturally existing factor of stability and goodness in Man, a conflict or at least a feeling of being torn between opposing emotions would arise.

This holds true even today with many human beings. As a result of these genetic manipulations, and from earliest times, Man has fought these inner conflicts of good and evil --- where evil frequently is the winner. Nonetheless, increasing numbers of humans combat their way to goodness by conquering the damage done by the genetic manipulation and their wicked legacy, i.e., the evil or original sin.

Unfortunately, frequent excesses occur that are based upon degeneration and pseudo-humanism, because humans are unable to find the appropriate paths and cling to false ideals that frequently originated from religious-sectarian idiocy.

Few other details are needed to explain the number of diverse human skin tones on Earth. From our previous explanations, it should now be apparent that various human races and their skin colors originated throughout the most diverse planetary systems of our galaxy, the Milky Way. The regions of Sirius, however, played a specific role too, at least with respect to the actual Ur-Ur-origin, before the Old Lyrians came to Earth where they later merged with terrestrial human beings.


Numerous distant descendants from those early days inhabit this planet today. One more explanatory remark regarding the original genetic manipulators: In reality they were the benefactors of the genetically-altered people, hence they were their "creator-overlords".



When the time came to eventually kill or merely exile the genetically-altered individuals they (the benefactors) split into two sides. Subsequently, the two divisions fought each other with harsh verbal assaults and accusations until other intelligent beings from the Sirius regions intervened; they were joined by the group who wanted to kill the genetically-altered people.

The true benefactors, those opposed to the killing, were able to rescue a great many genetically-manipulated beings whom they had divided into several groups --- in spite of the many counter measures of those who wanted to kill. As was previously explained, two groups of peoples settled on the other side of the galaxy, while the remainder of the peoples found new homes in the SOL system on Mars and Malona; subsequently, several thousand degenerate, genetically-altered individuals were deported to Earth. The benefactors knew even then that the people shipped there could not remain in this solar system forever but that sometime later they would have to depart for other destinations.

In ancient times, men and women were equal regarding their capability and energy to live, fight and do other things. Hence, there was neither a distinction between men and women in those aspects nor in their work sites or types of tasks they performed, although men relieved the physically weaker women at strenuous chores. Women and men were equal in every way without there being any discrimination whatsoever between the sexes, as long as biological differences and related details, which were, of course, considered and observed even in Ur-times. Even then, therefore, women were mainly responsible for maternal duties and household tasks when they were married with offspring. If this did not apply, women performed the identical tasks as the men. Both women and men held government posts; male staff members were incorporated into the team to the extent that men and women always governed in equal numbers and shouldered responsibilities together. Therefore neither one man nor one woman controlled the government. The people themselves possessed the right to speak up and join in the decision making process for all concerns, resolutions, edicts and laws, etc.

As previously explained, the two planets Mars and Malona/Phaeton in the SOL system were suitable for habitation by the refugees, the genetically-manipulated peoples. Planet Earth was still quite inhospitable at the time since its atmosphere was somewhat unhealthy for human life forms from the Sirius regions. Consequently, only those fallible, genetically-manipulated individuals were deported to Earth who had aggressively and viciously risen against their own confederates. Five remnant races fled to Mars from the Sirius regions, while two other races embarked in direction of the sun on the opposite side of the galaxy, as explained previously. The five races fleeing to Mars and Malona/Phaeton were joined by two other creator-overlord races. These two other races had not yet been genetically-manipulated, of course, and had no changes made to their DNAs. They were the benefactors who identified favorably with the genetically-manipulated people, and they assisted them in their escape. Their origins are traced to two different overpopulated planets in the Sirius regions where everyone was prohibited from procreating.

As a result, every child born was murdered and the offending parents were sterilized and banished.

Don't stop now, cataleptik, I'm resonating like a church bell.....wow!

Oh dear me…where DO I begin?...of course the feminism itself didn’t start in the ‘60s but many moons before…however, I say the ‘60s and rightly so because it was within the ‘60s that the ‘feminist movement’ began to rear its deliberate and oh so cleverly calculated ugly head… it was in the ‘60s that the feminist MOVEment began to quite literally ‘move’ women everywhere…hey, we women were FINALLY going to be liberated and MOVE on…right?

Amethyst wrote:

Feminism is a discussion of political & personal power relationships.  Androgeny is a totally different concept and is not synonymous with Unity, gender balance or even sameness.

That's what feminism is SUPPOSED to be about...but that's NOT what has actaully transpired today -

Feminism, our official gender ideology, masquerades as a movement for women's rights. In reality, feminism is a cruel hoax, telling women their natural biological instincts are "socially constructed" to oppress them. 

Feminism is elite social engineering designed to neuter both sexes, making women masculine and men feminine.

Look around…we have indeed become an androgenous society….and that’s the whole point…how incredibly offensive and ridiculous to actually believe that men and women are equal in every way…yet that is what the feminist movement wants men and women to believe…whatever ‘equal rights’ were to be originally accomplished has all but been squashed by that ‘androgenous’ mentality that we are now very much a part of…my kids can see this 'angrogeny' all too well at school and within their own peer structures…pathetic.

Any feminist who actually believes that the feminist movement is solely about ‘equal rights’ is just plain ignorant and has bought into the LIE hook line and sinker…The Rockefellers and Rothschilds created feminism to weaken the family and poison male-female relations (divide and conquer.) Their twin objectives are depopulation and  totalitarian world government…and it is THEIR money that continues to bankroll the feminist movement.

These feminists can’t even get the ‘women’s vote’ thing correct…they peddle the right to vote thing as something THEY accomplished for women…let’s look at the historically accurate facts about a woman’s right to vote –

Myth - If it weren’t for the feminist movement, women wouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Fact: Single or widowed women in Colonial America who owned property were allowed to vote. During colonial times (1600-1776), the right to vote was linked directly to land ownership. Only those who had a legitimate stake in the government were allowed to vote (this meant that many men, including all indentured servants, did not have the right to vote along with the women who did not own property). This practice did not end until the 1820s, as Enlightenment philosophy began to creep into the notions of franchise. (The unfortunate results of the Enlightenment are discussed in The Woman’s Place by R.J. Rushdoony.) The founders and lawmakers who didn’t give the vote to married women were not woman-haters out to suppress the opinions of half of the population. They had an entirely different view than we do today …a view built around landowning households rather than individuals. According to English Common Law, man and wife become one not only in the spiritual or Romantic sense, but in the legal sense. They are one force to be reckoned with legally rather than two individuals. Therefore the vote was given to the head of the household and not to each member residing within the household. The head represented his household when he went to the polls, much as our senators and congressmen represent us when they vote in the Senate or the House. This is one of the foundation stones of a Republic (and America is a Constitutional Republic; not a Democracy). Certain people are elected to represent others within their district. In this sense, the husband (or head of the landowning household) was elected to represent his household at the ballot box. If a husband was incapacitated or otherwise unable to exercise his right to vote, there were laws that allowed the wife to vote for the household. In this way, each landowning household was fairly represented at the ballot box. We have a completely different notion of franchise today, which is not based upon households but upon individuals within the household. Each eligible individual may vote his or her own opinion. In this way, a husband and a wife can completely cancel each other out at the ballot box. Many commentators in the 19th century (when women began demanding the vote) found such an idea absurd, since it went against the ideals of a Republic. But instead of appealing to the law or making rational discourse about the representation of households, most men who opposed votes for women did so on the grounds that women weren’t smart enough to vote or shouldn’t be bothered with politics. Those arguments proved weak and ineffective (as they should have). But the fact remains, regardless of whether or not you agree with women’s suffrage: women were allowed to vote before the 19th Amendment. Heads of households and landowning women could and did vote until well into the 1820s, when the rationality of the Enlightenment philosophers conferred upon woman a strictly ornamental status.  The vote had nothing to do with sex and everything to do with land ownership.

So many myths…so many lies…so much confusion among men and women today…yep, those feminists have done a fine job of screwing up both sexes…I feel more sorry for the men…’cause they’re even more confused then the women are…...men are meant to BE men and women are meant to BE women...we ARE inherently different...and thank god for that difference...to try and force this so called 'SAMENESS' on BOTH sexes is mockery to who we really are.

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organic wrote:

This is one of the foundation stones of a Republic (and America is a Constitutional Republic; not a Democracy). Certain people are elected to represent others within their district.

America is a Constitutional Republic; not a Democracy Yes!
Or is supposed to be!

One of the reasons media and politicians that are on the "Bad" side prefer to use the term Democracy is that a Democracy is able to steal power from those that can be outnumbered OR MADE TO SEEM TO BE OUTNUMBERED in favor of those who desire that power.

In a Constitutional Republic EVERYBODY is fully entitled to Equal Protection of the LAW. 

"Under God" has been warped into an Altered Image created by Religions and by those who claim to be against religions to be some chief head honcho sitting on a throne somewhere such that only Priests and Presidents that Claim to speak with him have access to that specific person sitting on *THE* Throne. Those who claim to be against religions often are creating and accepting the same altered Image of God and denying an Individual Child of the Universe his/her own Understanding or concept (and democratically stealing God Power from any individual that choses his/her own "religious viewpoint").

God is the God that created the Homeless Destitute or the Wandering Singer just as much as the God that created the Wealthy Landowner. The "Nation Under God" by Constitution extended the Full Power of the Law to protect and allow the The Least In The Kingdom just as much legal protection as the Wealthiest, even if it didnt give them all the vote back then.

Democracies by nature need to always be designating a made up enemy to rail against in order to transfer power from the "Evil Of The Hour" to another group before configuring a new "Enemy of The Day" to go after. Effectively in a Democracy those who control the Media and can picture for those who get information from the media an 'Evil Enemy' de jour while proclaiming that those who have nothing to hide have nothing to worry about.

We are all children of the God of the Universe no matter what aspect of the God of the Universe any religion might chose to claim to have access to.

organic wrote:

So many myths…so many lies…so much confusion among men and women today…yep, those feminists have done a fine job of screwing up both sexes…I feel more sorry for the men…’cause they’re even more confused then the women are…...men are meant to BE men and women are meant to BE women...we ARE inherently different...and thank god for that difference...to try and force this so called 'SAMENESS' on BOTH sexes is mockery to who we really are.

I think I was about 14 years old when I was at a large community religious festival. It was the late Sunday afternoon ending of the event and I had left yelling and screaming and running around with my friends to seek out my parents and see what they were up to. I found them in the Beer Pavillion with the grandparents and older people who sat around talking all the time.
I remember it. I went up to my dad and took his beer out of his hand to take a sip of it and took my mother's arm and put it around my shoulder so I could lean into her and listen to whatever was going on. As I took the usual allowed one sip of beer from my father's beer, I saw everyone looking at me.
I got the creeps that I had just walked into something.
Apparently the conversation was about sexual deviancy and expectations or whatever and I was acting too childish for my age!
One of the older men spoke into the silence. "if you take everyone in town and strip them naked and line them up along a wall", He said, "any two year old would be totally capable of telling you who is a male and who is a female if you are having problems figuring it out."
He looked at the people looking at me and continued, "I would give my home and all the money I have in the bank to once again drink beer from my dad's hand and lean my head on my mother's breast."
Then he said, " I have seen a lot of changes in my life and hope to see more before I die but I say let those who are men decide what men are for them and let those who are women decide what they are also for it is they that must live it."
Well, I ran off back to play with my friends, but that man's words still remain with me.
Somehow, to this day,  I credit that old man as playing a part in my happiness that I am a male.

Amethyst wrote:

genniii wrote:

Then he said, " I have seen a lot of changes in my life and hope to see more before I die but I say let those who are men decide what men are for them and let those who are women decide what they are also for it is they that must live it."

Well, I ran off back to play with my friends, but that man's words still remain with me.
Somehow, to this day,  I credit that old man as playing a part in my happiness that I am a male.

Very succinctly put genniii and I agree.  14 is a perfect age to have received such a gift of wisdom.

I agree too!...Men should BE men and women should BE women...with, of course, the understanding that the BE is what is meant for each of them to KNOW for themselves...

And Amethyst dear...it's a shame you missed the boat of what I was expressing...but do try and not be so threatened by other women's points of view...I can see I've struck a nerve with you on this one...so best we not engage in this little tit for tat anymore...but I do hope that you will try and broaden your mind...and not be so close minded about how other women feel...afterall, the feminist movement is fast running its course and that mindless propaganda no longer serves this world with the higher levels of consciousness we are now engaged in...and thank goodness for that, eh?!...

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