StarshipCapricorn User Forum

cataleptik wrote:

first i must vent.  "a hoax you say?  ah, you are wrong.
when thomas jefferson sent an envoy to the iroquois, got
them all drunk and had them sign the original declaration of
independence, then buried it and produced a second Declaration
for the slaveowners and the future ruling classes of the United
States to sign  -- THAT was a hoax, my friend. Innovative legislation
is simply...how can I put it without being accused of 'channeling'?

Innovative, progressive legislation is simply what your COINTELPRO
afflicted, MKULTRA - addicted dominating and basically weak willed
ruling classes can't handle -- people actually using intellectual freedom
to create real freedom.  All the hoaxers are in Brainwashington, Deceit,
waiting for people like YOU to repeat the lies that they desperately need
believed in so that they can remain in power."

organic wrote:

tiaka9 wrote:

Organic, there`s no way even a die-hard sceptic of alternative 911 theories can continue to believe the official lie after watching this.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/9448/thinkingum3.gif

Unfortunatley, my extended family are all Bush backers and Bush lovers...all of my in laws think this whole 9/11 conspiracy cover up thing is a joke that is being kept alive by the likes of people like me...what is frustrating is that none of them has ever taken the time to do their own research...they've never watched any of the many videos out there...never read any of the available websites...that alone speaks volumes about how narrow minded they are...I've had to learn to just keep my mouth shut...(I know I know...tough one for someone like me!) 'cause it just breeds discord at family get togethers...they think I'm a kook (thank you very much!) and I think they're the most ignorant closed minded people I know...my mother in law did give me some insight one day into the mind of narrow minded people like her...she admitted that even if there was evidence to prove Bush's involvement with 9/11...she would never believe it...huh?...come again?...that makes no sense...and then it hit me one day that for some people, like my in laws, something as big of a lie as 9/11 would be so big a thing to wrap their brains around...that it would shake the very foundation of who they are and how they think...and to protect themselves...it's just easier to believe what isn't true then to have to embrace a new way of thinking...this saddens me...but what can I do?...nothing...these people will evolve at their own pace...and I'll just keep going at mine...such is life...:/

i have been led to think that people have a view of politics in the united states
that is based on some clever lies told so long ago that they go beyond most people's
ability to comprehend...

senator,
filibuster,
plebescite,
democracy,
salary
status,
vomitorium.  we get all these words, and the concepts that go along with them
from a very small window in our shared history as evolving earth beings.  it's as small
as say the time between Y2K and the 9/11 holdup/fiasco/distraction
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it has to do with the world plato lived in.

but it keeps going on because Plato's world saw the establishment of an undereducated slave class
and that slave class was necessary to keep the large State going.  and it is that undereducated vestige
you face when you have to talk to your loved ones who worship Bush (scarily) like those German nationals
of that woeful time worshipped Hitler.

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It goes so far back -- most people even if they do have the education can't really think anymore when they
get to the idea of core absurdities...like people giving up their freedom to preserve freedom elsewhere.

the sort of standing lies that seem as if,
if they were deconstructed, the foundation of american life would fall apart.

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of course it wouldn't. but it's a deception. Plato famously DID NOT LIKE PEOPLE
and of all the Greek classical thinkers, it is Plato on whom Bush has relied.  He doesn't make
the mental connection.  But all global republics have based their thoughts on Plato.
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in the NESARA area there are all those people who swear that they want to overhaul the American system,
and that they want it NOW.  They have been swearing it for a long time.

But i get the sick feeling that somewhere there are a few people who are betting that
the new people who seek to revisualise the way culture creates government will
accidentally re-create the same sort of system that has already been - and that could happen.

It could happen as easily as people who are convinced that their stance is most righteous,
or even ordained by God, choosing the same old Constitutional Republican ways of thinking and acting
as their tools to evolved government.  They are actually being suckered into Permanent Revolution.

can they see it?  That Bush is a fascist dictator in the established tradition of Nero and Napoleon our loved ones
might have a difficult time seeing.  But some of the most prolific alleged "light workers" in the New Age
are convinced that more assertion of the same old political system that got us into the mess we are in now
in the United States can fix the problems.  It's not futile -- but it can result in a lot of burnt-out exhausted and
disillusioned activists, which DOES work for the Bush/9-11 conspiracy agenda.

and that's real sad. 

Notice all the people checking in on the 9-11 video. I smelled a conspiracy the day it happened
but i lived through Nixon. 

did anyone here suggest political ALTERNATIVES?

the role of capricorn in astrology:

capricorn says: 'i utilize. i work. i am efficient and often hide my true passions and sensitivity out of fear of what could be.'
capricorn doesn't like it when things go wrong, as earth astrology goes...

with Neptune in sidereal Capricorn at the present time, delusion and self deception (neptune) in the minds of those who have attained power by hard effort (capricorn is said to rule administrators and upper management rather than those born to rule or battlefield conquerors).

what augments the Neptune in Sidereal capricorn energy?
a query for another session.

Last edited by cataleptik (2008-01-11 04:42:24)