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Gawen · 2007-06-10 18:17:59

Hello everybody!

First of all, I would like to extend my warmest greetings to all of you, and especially to the ones who may still remember me from ... two years back.

It is amazing what two years can hold for anyone - especially if you keep a open mind. That is one thing which I learned during my time-off.

Circumstances did not allow me to check by this forum sooner, but recently I had this urge to do have a peek, and after I did figure out my password, I thought to give you all a word. I did get this sentimental feeling, when I did see some of the 'old' members' names...

So, he-ya, how have you all been? ;)

But there is another reason for me posting.

I did not read many of the recent posts, so forgive me if I have missed out on something, but there is something concerning me.
I did read through the last Messages of Lavar and was quite startled that they still sound the same ... even after two years.
...and after two years, I must say that they even prove to sound identical to when I last heard of them.

No, I did not start this post to start a whir or create a flame war. I just want the chance to voice my opinion.

While I still had the privilege to participate actively in these posts, I did read may of the wake-up calls, Lavar's Messages and had a great time with the other forum members at that time sorting out different issues and sharing differences of opinion. But after I had to take my leave I was unable to use the internet to do any of these things. So it has been quite a 'quiet' time for me, regarding the receival of information through the internet and other sources.

And oh, I have learned so much in the absence of the internet and its information-flood. I have learned so much about life and I am sure to say that I came closer to my God in that time than I would have ever deemed possible. Well, according to the Norm, my life is not 'perfect' - no, but I am happy and I found a whole new meaning to life - for my life, that is.

But now, upon my returning glance I found little change here, only waiting.
What message of someone else will reach me today? Shall I wait some more? Will one more day hurt? When is now?

I have indulged myself in these messages of hope. They are messages of hope, I will not deny that, and they are wonderful means to spread ideas of hope, change and dreams. But somehow I have the feeling, upon retrospect, that I have also become a wait-er in that time. Do not get me wrong, I even honor these past days - without them I would not be where I am now, with my knowledge on things.

Being severed from the information-flood for a while led me onto a wholly different path - into myself. I did not read, but started to listen. No, I did not start a classical form of meditation or joined a group of sorts, but merely tried to get on my way in life. And things started to occur by themselves. I started to find inspiration in all things and their manners - and it is wonderful!

No, do not get me wrong. I have not evolved into a Jesus from one second to another - I am still myself, pay my bills and even scratched my knee very badly recently, but it is my view on things which has changed - well, that does not even mean that I do not doubt anymore. But everything has become more ... balanced.

So, what point do I want to make?
I have to admit that I have somewhat lost myself in my writing, but I do hope that they too carry a message of hope for all/some of you.

I just had wanted to say that it is my sincere hope that some of you did not forget to smell the flowers some time or another, spend some time simply doing 'nothing' and just to simply have a good laugh.
And most importantly, I do sincerely hope, that some of you did not forget that there is only one way in making things happen: that is by taking your life back into your hands and to go on living.

Your thoughts and imagination are the only limits life will ever pose against you.

Try listening to yourself instead of (always to) others. You know what is best for yourself, so allow this. Listen does not mean meditation or any kind of esoteric practice you might want to force onto yourself because of whatsoever. Listening means to do what you want to do, to do as your heart asks and just to be able to enjoy life.

Start with getting your things, your thoughts and your life into order. Enjoy the thrill. The rest will come by itself.

It is my sincere wish for everybody to find their own path, and tread not the path of others.
This does not mean to deny what others have to say, and it does not mean to deny that there are other beings among us, perhaps even preparing to land, neither to abandon some old habits (like checking back into this forum :), nor to deny oneself.

Just BE yourself!

So then, with that though, no fancy goodbye words from me at this point - I will be around a bit.

Fare thee well!

- Gawen

organic · 2007-06-10 21:05:22

Greetings, Sir Gawen!...(or Lady? Gawen)!...I remember you...but you don't know me...that's because I owe it to you for joining this forum...I had been toying around with signing up and ended up pretty much reading all of your posts almost two years ago...I thought...WOW...this person is right up my alley...definitely some very profound thought provoking stuff this person is sharing...and then when I finally did sign up...POOF...you were gone!......glad to see you back and I' sure you have much more to say, too...oh, and sorry for the 'Sir' or 'Lady' part...but if I recall back then...I pictured you as someone riding a white horse and carrying the banner of truth flag to all the world...WELCOME AND HAPPY POSTING...(again...)

Quercus · 2007-06-10 22:18:57

I think, Gawen, you'll find that we too have noticed the somewhat stagnant nature of Hal's channelling of Capt. Helena's messages and, whilst I can't speak for all, I would venture to suggest that we gather here in like-minded sociability for the exchange of useful information, rather than to hang on her every word.

Welcome back, by the way. I too took a brief respite from this place, but the lure of organic's charm soon had me back in the fold

Q

organic · 2007-06-10 22:48:11

Quercus wrote:
I think, Gawen, you'll find that we too have noticed the somewhat stagnant nature of Hal's channelling of Capt. Helena's messages and, whilst I can't speak for all, I would venture to suggest that we gather here in like-minded sociability for the exchange of useful information, rather than to hang on her every word.

Indeed, I no longer read any of Lavar's daily 'recorded' messages...but, as Quercus points out, most of us are drawn to this particular forum because of 'like-minded sociability for the exchange of useful information'...I think this is important for many of us so that we can 'connect' and relate so we don't lose our minds altogether......think of our forum as a little cafe tucked safely out of the way along a side alley that one can come to as a safe haven amidst the bitter storms that keep blowing around us...

Quercus wrote:
Welcome back, by the way. I too took a brief respite from this place, but the lure of organic's charm soon had me back in the fold

Ha! Surely you jest, dear friend......but thanks for the compliment just the same...and, of course, your sparkling british personality and flare DOES indeed add color around here, too...

Cheers to ALL my fellow comrades...I salute you!...

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Gawen · 2007-06-11 23:22:01

Dear organic,

I thank you dearly for your kinds words. They touch me very deeply. I feel honored, to say the least, that you would have gotten such a fair picture of me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

- Gawen

Gawen · 2007-06-11 23:23:01

Dear Quercus,

to come back to your post:

I have very fond memories of this forum and I too believe that it has a greater nature than simply being a place to read up on messages coming from only one source.

This is a place where much can be learned from a plethora of categories - many of them not even esoteric or spiritual. I always liked that.

Though this place does seem to have become pretty quite...

- Gawen

Gawen · 2007-06-11 23:49:22

Dear aries,

thank you for showing interest.

There is just something about the simple things in life, is it not?

I remember that for a longer time in the past, I always had this urge to be more of what I truly allowed myself to be. And ironically, that was to be 'less' - I should rather say, to be less of what is expected of me.

As I have said earlier, great joy can come from simply being. And that is perfect as it is. There is nothing that we actually have to do.

Recently, I have asked myself a question:

"What would I regret, in my current state of mind, if I were to die now?"

It came to me as a surprise that I actually got/felt an answer. I continued to ask, and even though some answers seemed trivial, they did actually make sense in the end.
I found that there were small, yes sometimes even seemingly trivial things, hanging onto me, causing me to lag behind.
These may have been little promises, papers needed to be sorted out, getting personal stuff into order, or just calling a friend who you have not seen/heard from for quite some time. It is the simple things.
I decided to go ahead and get everything into order. My theory is, that once everything is settled, the present moment of 'now' has a far greater meaning.
Just think of it: lying in the warm spring sun and knowing that everything you have always wanted to sort out has been resolved, and that there is nothing that you have to do - for there is nothing to (have to) do. That is quite a blissful state.
I have realised that there were things which I always managed to postpone or deny. But sooner or later things tend to catch up.
With the very simple, above, question, I have managed to 'clear up my past' - I would call it so, for I feel ever more present in my life.

It is the simple things in life...and a(ny) simple question (to oneself) can unlock many a door.

...

Well, there I lost myself in my writing again - actually I just wanted to say thank you for showing interest

- Gawen

Gawen · 2007-06-12 00:07:45

Dear Sotapanno,

why are you calling up a challenge?

I never questioned the content of Lavar's Messages, merely observed that they sound very much identical. Hence, I commented that I 'found little change' - and I only voiced my opinion on how I perceive things.

I would not judge Lavar, nor his proficiency at telepathy. I honor him for what he is doing.

It is my opinion though, that other people often confuse the idea on things of someone else for their own. Hence, I commented that I '(found) only waiting'.

- Gawen

Christo Alado · 2007-06-12 00:32:43

Ah yes, dear Gawen, simply Being is by far a better choice. There's always fine experiences to share from there.

Infinite Love carries with it; infinite possibilities.

It's just a matter of where one places their focus regards the reality they wish to create.

May Love always be your focus,

Christo

Quercus · 2007-06-12 22:56:34

You are clearly an honourable person Sotpanno and I apologise if you felt I was criticising your friend Lavar. It was not my intention. Despite trying, I clearly have no obvious telepathic skills that I am aware off, but I can imagine how difficult it must be to interpret received thoughts from another, particularly an "alien" mind, and make any sort of sense of them.
Q

Gawen · 2007-06-13 11:36:06

Sotapanno wrote:
Gawen wrote:
Dear Sotapanno,

why are you calling up a challenge?

I never questioned the content of Lavar's Messages, merely observed that they sound very much identical. Hence, I commented that I 'found little change' - and I only voiced my opinion on how I perceive things.

I would not judge Lavar, nor his proficiency at telepathy. I honor him for what he is doing.

It is my opinion though, that other people often confuse the idea on things of someone else for their own. Hence, I commented that I '(found) only waiting'.

- Gawen
In the plain and simple format of a, in structure very limited medium (this or any internet forum), misunderstanding can occur very quickly, as we do not have the direct human interaction. Not to mention that relative strangers comming together do not know the history of one another, and when writing information can seem and be taken quite out of context, depending on what you (not you personally, you as in the reader) happen to be thinking at the moment.

One other thing that happens quite often - we forget that we are not alone (on this forum). Personally I try to write my messages not just for, or in response to a single person, but to make it a general response with observations for all readers to read and to ponder.

You observed that you saw the messages as "very much identical", I returned with the observation, that change is occurring if you look closely. We both just observed, and I see no judgement therein.

I then extended upon that observation, pointing out how difficult such communication might be, asking the reader to ponder the questions I gave. A challenge? Perhaps. But I hope not a challenge in the sense of a race with a single winner, and many loosers. But a challenge for all to be winners.

Sotpanno

Alles Ist Relativ vom Beobachter.

PS: you may not be aware: I know Lavar personally, and as such may have insights others on this forum may not have (about Lavar and his work), and also I may at times, because of this relationship, inadvertantly become defensive, as friends sometimes do when they hear someone else talking about their friends.

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You speak wisely, Sotapanno, and I honour your equanimous way in which you decided to respond.

In response to your comment, that this might be a challenge for all to be winners, I would like to post a text by David Bohm, upon which I have stumbled some time ago, but never really could get rid of:

Gawen · 2007-06-13 11:37:08

On Dialogue

by David Bohm

"I give a meaning to the word 'dialogue' that is somewhat different from what's commonly used. The derivations of words often help to suggest a deeper meaning. 'Dialogue' comes from the Greek word dialogos. Logos means 'the word' or in our case we would think of the 'meaning of the word.' And dia means through - it doesn't mean two. A dialogue can be among any number of people, not just two. Even one person can have a sense of dialogue within himself [herself], if the spirit of dialogue is present. The picture or image that this derivation suggests is a stream of meaning flowing among and through us and between us.. this will make possible a flow of meaning in the whole group, out of which will emerge some new understanding. It's something new, which may not have been in the starting point at all. It's something creative. And this shared meaning is the 'glue' or 'cement' that holds people and societies together.
Contrast this with the word 'discussion,' which has the same root as 'percussion' and 'concussion.' It really means to break things up. It emphasizes the idea of analysis, where there may be many points of view, and where everybody is presenting a different one - analyzing and breaking up. That obviously has its value; but it is limited, and it will not get us very far beyond our various points of view. Discussion is almost like a ping-pong game, where people are batting the ideas back and forth and the object of the game is to win and get points for yourself. Possibly you will take up somebody else's ideas to back up your own - you may agree with some and disagree with others - but the basic point is to win the game. That's very frequently the case in a discussion.

In a dialogue, however, nobody is trying to win. Everybody wins if anybody wins. There is a different sort of spirit to it. In a dialogue, there is no attempt to gain points, or to make your particular view prevail. Rather, whenever any mistake is discovered on the part of anybody, everybody gains. It's a situation called win-win, whereas the other game is win-lose if I win, you lose. But a dialogue is something more of a common participation, in which we are not playing a game against each other but with each other. In a dialogue, everybody wins."

organic · 2007-06-13 13:09:08

Sotapanno wrote:
For the first time in a long time I had to rush to the dictionary - I had never heard the word 'exculpate' before.

Yep, I, too, had to go to the dictionary...

Definitions of exculpate on the Web:

acquit: pronounce not guilty of criminal charges; "The suspect was cleared of the murder charges"

Now we know...thanks for broadening our vocabulary, aries...

And to you, dear Sota, our analytical thinker of our beloved forum -

organic wrote:
Sotapanno wrote:
I was trying to stir a pot for arguments sake - apparently no one really cared for the stew
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I always enjoy your posts, Sota...you're a true beacon of light around here...I value your opinion and thoughts...you make me think which helps me to put things into perspective I might not otherwise do...I'm glad you're a part of the Capricorn family...have an absolutely postitively purrrfectly magnificent zippity doo dah day...my oh my it's a pooh bear day!

(((((Hugs)))))

Love,
organic

organic · 2007-06-13 19:00:41

Gawen wrote:
On Dialogue

I love it! I love it! Excellent explanation of dialogue verses discussion...me thinks we should use this more as a measuring stick around here as we 'discuss' many things...oops...I mean as we 'dialogue' many things...I shall try harder to be more aware of this...

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Quercus · 2007-06-13 21:08:43

Bloody hell, I'm going back to bed...........

organic · 2007-06-13 21:33:41

Quercus wrote:
Bloody hell, I'm going back to bed...........

What's wrong, Quercus...too boring for you around here?......there's always those looney tunes over at godlike productions......and they do nothing but 'discuss' all day...

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