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Nanu Nanu

Mork wrote:

I need to go home

You are always Home

It is because you are living in a body of your creations that you think you are not home

but that body has never been you
it is rather a reflection of what you have arted into a now that is yours


even to break down further one of those little cells in your brain
http://brainmaps.org/index.php?win=max& … ;View=View
you would find minute immeasurably small webs with further immeasurably smaller structures surrounding and eminating from what is the subtle vibrations of your thoughts to make up those webs which so many consider to be manifest reality
and those immeasurably tiny things are themselves foundation for the largest and grandest of all that the Hubble telescope in the sky can percieve

and from that tiny
to that majestic grand
.... is all merely a demonstrated mirror reflection

of you at home

You are a consciousness and energy
that began at point Zero on a journey
that became a One God
that looked within and observed a Self
that set out to obey the only command: Make known the unknown
and you have come down through the levels of accomplishment

You have always been in your here and now home

and you now are perched on a precipice hovering over the very edge of is

and the edge shall be pierced and entered
for always opens that which is arted

you may tarry and play with tangents
yet you will always find more in the you that really is your home
and with what you gain you will always open more journey

there is no beginning and there will be no end
only further joining with self and creations

with each self expansion and creation accomplishment brought home to Point Zero, God itself expands and thus opens up new for further

Amethyst wrote:

genniii wrote:

You are always Home

I am struggling to understand it.

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=1 … tnG=Search
or
http://www.mastersconnection.com/commun … index.php?

To begin to help you 'understand'

There are many who believe these orbs seen in the above links are visitors from other places (could 'first contact' have already begun?)...  or that some of those orbs are even people of Earth that have died and no longer have bodies to get into...  and there are even those ( I have met some) who insist they have proved by thier own experience that some of the orbs are people having an out of body experience

so consider this: If I were to stab your finger with a sharp needle  -  you might slap me  -  because it would hurt or discomfort
and yet if you were to have been in an accident and have your hand separated from your body and I were to go and pick up your hand and stab it with a sharp needle: you would not feel a thing (unless you were watching and got all emotional of course ... grin)
BUT point is: YOU would no longer 'be' in your hand and the hand would NOT BE YOU
so what is you? is your heart 'you'? would you still be you with a heart transplant?
'YOU' is a spark of life, a morphogenetic field that lives in the body to interact with the vibration of this plane
and perhaps according to the vibrations of this plane, that which be you, would appear to be like an orb

so if indeed you were yourself as an orb would you be more you than you are you in a body human?
there is a dilema here that I did not address in the post that you were struggling to understand

as an orb, pre-birth in a manifested flesh and blood body, you already did all the orb-adventures - that is complete and mastered prior to your first involution into a body with ability as we know in this realm

thing is you are not your body
the body is still in most people a borrowing from earth yet they are still dreaming that they are a body

when one has an out of body experience and looks back upon the body and realizes that they are not the body but the being of life observing it - they are never again the same when they return to the body to continue the adventures of life

and yet I would also offer for your consideration
that the ones returned to the body
and learning to do that which the body & brain are potential of
and becoming the observer orb awakened and alive in the body and brain itself
they have found Home
for the body nor the enviroment atmosphere themselves are never again that which the unrealized consider this plane to be
and home is not a place but a knowingness born of an understanding wraught from experience
experience that was contemplated applied and evolved
and noun becomes completly malleable for the real home is a verb most liken to a Journey of foreverness timelessness

So when we say our bodies are merely our own creations we are saying all our creations are our body
from the wrinkles on our faces to our disseasements to our accidents and strokes of luck and yeah even the sun that flares with our increases in knowingmess and even to the furthest galaxy that is birthing beings ready to meet and interact with us when we learn from the body that what we hold within IS

when we learn and apply the disciplines and techniques and master the arts and sciences of being the creative co-relationship it is the I that becomes the home and all else is merely furnishings that we can share with another I

there is a reason why it has survived within all the abominable misssinformations that the Master known as Jesus stated "Love the Law of the Word "I" and have no other false I within you" and that it was equally important to also know that every other being you meet is also an awakening God and to love them for that too
for living and applying such is a hard thing to do indeed
and in the doing the self has to go through much that is built up to get to the other side and be free of
but such challenge does change the self
and in changing the self is changed that which exists between the I and another I

the having to go through much has caused many to configure abominable misssinformations to inflate thier own egos and has contributed much to the abominations that we see as our current world
and there are many that do indeed consider the body or a piece of reality such as a house or condo or car or bankroll to be thier home and care not what any other thinks and what is evolving twixt them and others will have serious inconvienences manifest yet in our day's dawning era

but that "mirror reflection" out there has danced relationship with many that are awakening from past captures
and bit by bit a new is awakening
and many who have found the self as home have begun to erect thier homes, vehicles and bankrolls in the hearts of those who also are awakening
and no other planet needs to be returned to
no past dimension or nothingness needs to be returned to
and no spaceship can ever again take them away from thier self
for they carry thier home as an I that is completing in an awed and loving Joy


............
corrected some missspellings dangit
find any more just consider them more riddle okay? ... grin

Last edited by genniii (2006-07-15 21:20:17)

genniii wrote:

so what is you? is your heart 'you'? would you still be you with a heart transplant?

Posting a NEXUS article on Celllular Memory and transplants.  I'm editing out the techinical info but it's still rather long and I may have to break it up into smaller posts because the server wouldn't take my first effort.  The 10 case vignettes really are a good read.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/C … ories.html
Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 12, Number 3 (April - May 2005)

According to this study of patients who have received transplanted organs, particularly hearts, it is not uncommon for memories, behaviours, preferences and habits associated with the donor to be transferred to the recipient.

If you wish to upset the law that all crows are black…it is enough if you prove one single crow to be white.
— William James, MD

INTRODUCTION
It is generally assumed that learning involves primarily the nervous system and secondarily the immune system. Hence, patients receiving peripheral organ transplants should not experience personality changes that parallel the personalities of donors they have never met.....

Each of the 10 cases includes a donor family member's report (or equivalent), a recipient's report (or equivalent) and a recipient family member's or friend's report. Donor family members, recipients and recipient family members or friends are quoted directly from the transcripts. Personal opinions (including controversial content) are reported verbatim. Each case includes two to five sample parallels between the donors and changes observed in the recipients post transplant surgery.

Case 1
The donor was an 18-year-old boy killed in an automobile accident. The recipient was an 18-year-old girl diagnosed with endocarditis and subsequent heart failure.

The donor's father, a psychiatrist, said:
"My son always wrote poetry. We had waited more than a year to clean out his room after he died. We found a book of poems he had never shown us, and we've never told anyone about them. One of them has left us shaken emotionally and spiritually. It spoke of his seeing his own sudden death. He was a musician, too, and we found a song he titled "Danny, My Heart Is Yours"—the words about how my son felt he was destined to die and give his heart to someone. He had decided to donate his organs when he was 12 years old. We thought it was quite strong, but we thought they were talking about it in school. When we met his recipient, we were so...we didn't know, like, what it was. We don't know now. We just don't know."

The recipient reported:
"When they showed me pictures of their son, I knew him directly. I would have picked him out anywhere. He's in me. I know he is in me and he is in love with me. He was always my lover, maybe in another time somewhere. How could he know years before he died that he would die and give his heart to me? How would he know my name is Danny? And then, when they played me some of his music, I could finish the phrases of his songs. I could never play before, but after my transplant I began to love music. I felt it in my heart. My heart had to play it. I told my mom I wanted to take guitar lessons—the same instrument Paul [the donor] had played. His song is in me. I feel it a lot at night and it's like Paul is serenading me."

The recipient's father reported:
"My daughter, she was what you say....a hell-raiser. Until she got sick—they say from a dentist, they think—she was the wild one. Then she became quite quiet. I think it was her illness, but she said she felt more energy, not less. She said she wanted to play an instrument and she wanted to sing. When she wrote her first song, she sang about her new heart as her lover's heart. She said her lover had come to save her life."

Case 2
The donor was a 16-month-old boy who drowned in a bathtub. The recipient was a seven-month-old boy diagnosed with tetralogy of Fallot (a hole in the ventricular septum with displacement of the aorta, pulmonary stenosis and thickening of the right ventricle).The donor's mother, a physician, noted:
"The first thing is that I could more than hear Jerry's [donor's] heart. I could feel it in me. When Carter [the recipient] first saw me, he ran to me and pushed his nose against me and rubbed and rubbed it. It was just exactly what we did with Jerry. Jerry and Carter's heart is five years old now, but Carter's eyes were Jerry's eyes. When he hugged me, I could feel my son. I mean I could feel him, not just symbolically. He was there. I felt his energy.

"I'm a doctor. I'm trained to be a keen observer and have always been a natural-born sceptic. But this was real. I know people will say that I need to believe my son's spirit is alive, and perhaps I do. But I felt it. My husband and my father felt it. And I swear to you, and you can ask my mother, Carter said the same baby-talk words that Jerry said. Carter is six, but he was talking Jerry's baby talk and playing with my nose just like Jerry did.

"We stayed with the ... [recipient family] that night. In the middle of the night, Carter came in and asked to sleep with my husband and me. He cuddled up between us exactly like Jerry did, and we began to cry. Carter told us not to cry because Jerry said everything was okay. My husband and I, our parents and those who really knew Jerry have no doubt. Our son's heart contains much of our son and beats in Carter's chest. On some level, our son is still alive."

The recipient's mother reported:
"I saw Carter go to her [donor's mother]. He never does that. He is very, very shy, but he went to her just like he used to run to me when he was a baby. When he whispered 'It's okay, mama', I broke down. He called her 'Mother', or maybe it was Jerry's heart talking. And one more thing that got to us. We found out talking to Jerry's mom that Jerry had mild cerebral palsy mostly on his left side. Carter has stiffness and some shaking on that same side. He never did as a baby and it only showed up after the transplant. The doctors say it's probably something to do with his medical condition, but I really think there's more to it.

"One more thing I'd like to know about. When we went to church together, Carter had never met Jerry's father. We came late and Jerry's dad was sitting with a group of people in the middle of the congregation. Carter let go of my hand and ran right to that man. He climbed on his lap, hugged him and said 'Daddy'. We were flabbergasted. How could he have known him? Why did he call him dad? He never did things like that. He would never let go of my hand in church and never run to a stranger. When I asked him why he did it, he said he didn't. He said Jerry did and he went with him."

I tried to post the other 8 cases but keep getting "Internal Server Error" notice.  They really are interesting.  You can read the remaining vignettes here.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/C … ories.html

Case 3
The donor was a 24-year-old woman who was the victim of an automobile accident. The recipient was a 25-year-old male graduate student suffering from cystic fibrosis who received a heart-lung transplant.

Case 4
The donor was a 17-year-old black male student victim of a drive-by shooting. The recipient was a 47-year-old white male foundry worker diagnosed with aortic stenosis.

Case 5
The donor was a 19-year-old woman killed in an automobile accident. The recipient was a 29-year-old woman diagnosed with cardiomyopathy secondary to endocarditis.

Case 6
The donor was a 14-year-old girl injured in a gymnastics accident. The recipient was a 47-year-old man diagnosed with benign myxoma and cardiomyopathy.
The donor's mother reported:

Case 7
The donor was a three-year-old girl who drowned in the family pool. The recipient was a nine-year-old boy diagnosed with myocarditis and septal defect.

Case 8
The donor was a 19-year-old woman who had suffered a broken neck in dance class. The recipient was a 19-year-old woman diagnosed with cardiomyopathy.

Case 9
The donor was a three-year-old boy who fell from an apartment window. The recipient was a five-year-old boy with septal defect and cardiomyopathy

Case 10
The donor was a 34-year-old police officer shot attempting to arrest a drug dealer. The recipient was a 56-year-old college professor diagnosed with atherosclerosis and ischaemic heart disease.

Amethyst

Last edited by Amethyst (2006-07-16 21:49:40)

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/C … ories.html

This is a sensitive and emotional issue for me.  I've read many of these stories over the years and I have no doubt that they are true.  There is definitely a "transfer" of cellular memories into the new body.  After all, the vibrational frequencies of the organs are "alive" and "communicate.  However, I am in the minority these days.  I will never give my organs to anyone upon my death and my wishes are in writing and will be honored.  It's assumed that everyone has no problems with giving their organs away upon death.  We're now taught that it's the "charitable" thing to do and when one life passes another one can live (beat) on with someone else's organ. I'm sure doctors would croak upon my death to find that I've checked the "NO" box for organ donation.  They'll think it such a waste of precious organs from someone so healthy.  How selfish can I be?

For me, it is an ethical and moral decision.  Organ donation goes against everything I know to be true about the human body and it's god given capacity to regenerate itself perfectly if only given the right environment to heal itself.  The liver alone can jumpstart itself within 72 hours and can completely regenerate itself in 90 days.  Why thousands of people are on waiting lists for these organ transplants is beyond my comprehension.  And while many people live long and productive lives (and even live "new" lives with "new" memories and abilities) with their new organs, I find it to be an "alternative" that isn't necessary.  Reclaiming one's health and knowing how to regenerate an organ isn't difficult.  I find the whole organ transplant donation thing to be an easy route to take instead of doing the work necessary to regenerate an organ instead.  I'll even go so far as to say that money is also the order of the day and doctors make HUGE profits from these transplants not to mention the pharmas that reap the financial benefits from the drugs involved with the transplantation.

If you're into the organ donar thing, more power to you.  If you've had a transplant, more power to you.  This is an individual thing.  Let me just say that nothing is carved in stone and just because someone has been told that he/she needs a liver transplant or they will die, doesn't make it so.  Education is a powerful tool.  We must all find our own answers to issues like this, so to each his own. 

Last edited by organic (2006-07-17 03:58:23)

organic wrote:

I've checked the "NO" box
money is also the order of the day and doctors make HUGE profits from these transplants not to mention the pharmas that reap the financial benefits from the drugs involved with the transplantation.

yup
money

I checked the No Box too

I know I am politically incorrect
with me it is more the immune system suppresant drugs that are required for the rest of the life of the person with the transplant
and the side effects
and the drugs to take care of those side effects and the side effects of those drugs and thier side effects

and all the constant care checkups

I only worked in the health care system for three years
but boy did I burn out on it

I could write for hours and hours and hours on medical profession
except that I really really really dont even want to have to think of all that

someday it will all be cleaned up
hopefully in my lifetime

but sometimes I think it will only happen when money no longer exists