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tstandamn · 2006-05-24 13:13:22

Well here we are, everyone. Years into the big cherade, and no closer to seeing this big and wonderful NESARA.

I thought the big video from Dove was going to be the big blow (not) that everyone was waiting for. Well, I guess in a way, it was a big blow because I have heard nothig positive about it. Certainly it offers no proof of NESARA otherwise we would have heard the repurcussions by now.

Instead, all of the NESARA groupies have moved on, finally realizing that this is one reality that can't be created. They blame it on the CIA, quatloos, the Dark side...when in reality, we simply have a lie that has been perpetuated by scammers and liars.

It has been fun to watch them scramble and try to "create this reality" and more fun to see them try and call a lie a fact. In the end, that is what is inherently wrong with NESARA...it is something that was intended to be positive, but when it starts with lies, and is perpetuated by lies....you have to call a spaid a spaid.

I am sure there is another website all of our NESARA groupies are hanging out at, hurling their cheap NESARA and New Age philosophies around. They can have it. First contact will never save the planet becuase first contact has already happened.

It is up to us to do the job, and worshipping a philosophy like NESARA will never be enough to change how we all behave.

And if you think the Bush cabal is full of lies, what do you call all of the NESARA people, who follow the words of liars on an equal scale?

organic · 2006-05-24 16:46:53

I'm sure this thread will be moved and that's O.K. But this is more of an observation than anything else. Trying to make sense of something that can never be because it doesn't exist. At least not within the delusional minds of those like Dove and Bellringer.

tstandamn wrote:
I thought the big video from Dove was going to be the big blow (not) that everyone was waiting for.

There was such hoopla here for the arrival of that video. And what of it? Nothing has ever been said here. Guess it didn't meet it's puffed up expectations?

tstandamn wrote:
Instead, all of the NESARA groupies have moved on, finally realizing that this is one reality that can't be created.

I hope so. And I hope they have found that changing things comes from within and then through action and not through some external means with an entity named Nesara and no observable truths to validate it.

Nesara is just a label. It is my hope that we can all find our own "Nesara" and move forward with that in creating what we want for this world. We alone must fix this mess we created. No one is going to save us because we are our OWN saviors.

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Amethyst · 2006-05-25 03:28:30

I saw this deliberate baiting thread before I went to work this morning about 12 hours ago only at that time it was a double post. Like Organic I thought it might be moved.

Tstandamn said: "I am sure there is another website all of our NESARA groupies are hanging out at, hurling their cheap NESARA and New Age philosophies around. They can have it."

I see Tstandamn has broadened his hatred and intolerance of other's paths to include "New Age philospophies."

Curly recently commented on another thread that he was enjoying the new found courtesy toward each other in recent posts. He spoke too soon.

Amethyst

genniii · 2006-05-25 03:56:10

Amethyst wrote:
other's paths ... include "New Age philospophies."

not all "New Age philospophies" are newly made up
but it is a dissmissal term commonly used

Some (but not all) "New Age philospophies" have been around since before the Egyptian Dynasties
and there are writings in my own library and even in the bookstores speaking of some of those "philospophies" as existing even before the Atlatian (Atlantis) times

but then again "philospophies" are words
and like I posted elsewhere here about the "philospophy" that fire is hot and can burn your hand,
you can believe it or you can not believe it
philospophies are like that
.... But, when you place your hand in the fire and experience the pain of intense heat
it is never again a philospophy to you
but the words you can use to convey what you know remains still just a philospophy to anyone entertaining beliefs about fire without ever touching the heat

not all philosophers are just making words about words
but as the Gnostics well know, words do not contain the experience
Life does but it has to be lived

The Roman Empire and the latter Egyptians also went to great lengths
to belittle some ancient "New Age philospophies"
and in more recent times Inquisitors ensured much wouldnt even be looked at by fearfull survivors of sanctioned terrorist progranmming
and in our own modern century further sanctioned terrorist progranmming is teaching further belittlement of acceptance of anything that does not put food on your family's table through Corporactic Obeyance

but such does not mean that what so much effort is being made to eradicate does not through experiance give a greater view of the potentials allowable by our reality in this plane
it is just that the possibilities of those potentials jeapordize a lot of the status quo

It is indeed an exciting time to be alive

entertaining at times too

Amethyst · 2006-05-25 04:02:56

Organic wrote:

"tstandamn wrote:

Instead, all of the NESARA groupies have moved on, finally realizing that this is one reality that can't be created.

And I hope they have found that changing things comes from within and then through action and not through some external means..."

I think that as the energies shift and we continue collapsing into unity, into a space/time morphogenic field of co-creation that -- "within", "action" and "external means" are not that discrete and separate.

"You" are the "external means". In Gregg Braden's language, it's the difference between prayer as a supplicant and prayer as a co-creating act, an energy connection.

And yet I also think we, planet Earth, are getting a lot of external help from entities, ET's, other dimensions, even Mother Earth and Father Sun.

Amethyst

organic · 2006-05-25 04:45:31

Looks like this thread went south. Perhaps it should have been posted on the other Nesara section? -

NESARA
This forum is for any postings relating to NESARA and for any disagreement or criticism relating to postings in the 'believers' forum.

Just a thought...

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genniii · 2006-05-25 05:07:27

Amethyst wrote:
And yet I also think we, planet Earth, are getting a lot of external help from entities, ET's, other dimensions, even Mother Earth and Father Sun.

yes
even that mysterious unknowable

Amethyst · 2006-05-25 05:30:48

geniii wrote:

**The Roman Empire and the latter Egyptians also went to great lengths
to belittle some ancient "New Age philosophies"
and in more recent times Inquisitors ensured much wouldn’t even be looked at by fearful survivors of sanctioned terrorist programming….

but such does not mean that what so much effort is being made to eradicate does not through experience give a greater view of the potentials allowable by our reality in this plane
it is just that the possibilities of those potentials jeopardize a lot of the status quo**

I agree absolutely. The possibilities of “New Age philosophies” does indeed “jeopardize a lot of the status quo”. But I think what is particularly threatening to the current corporatist status quo is the combination of spiritual New Age philosophy & power added to 3D political/economic action and that is what is happening now during the Galactic Underworld of the Mayan Calendar that started in 1999.

Those of us who are over 60 and came of age in the civil rights and anti-war movements can remember the tools of the demonstrations, marches, political chants – almost all hands on 3D actions. And these were useful at the time. And then came the Reagan/Thatcher years, the 80’s & early 90’s, when corporatist capitalism made a deliberate move to redistribute income upwards. (There were and still are economic reasons for that choice under the pressures of late stage monopoly capitalism/corporate socialism. It isn’t all pure greed.) If the 70’s was the “me” generation, the 80’s were the “me, not you” generation. It was still important that “I got mine” but the 80’s added the mean little twist “It’s equally important that you don’t get yours”.

And in the 80’s the resurgence of ancient “New Age philosophies” was initially focused on inward, individual healing with some focus on healing the earth as New Age and environmental movements naturally combined.

But what is happening now during the Galactic Cycle is the energies of the political actions of the 60’s and the New Age spiritual activity of the 80’s have combined. Most “New Agers”, Nesara believers, etc are intensely aware and politically engaged.

And then think where the political power goes when ancient/new philosophies of death itself and reincarnation are added to the arsenal. No wonder there are those that tell us just stick to voting, demonstrating and “action” and don’t add anything like other world potentialities or a thought form called NESARA to the mix.

It is indeed a great and sometimes "entertaining" time to be alive.

Amethyst

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tstandamn · 2006-05-25 14:06:21

Indeed I thought this post would be either eliminated or moved.

Indeed I have a big problem with the NESARA liars. Maybe I need to figure out why.

Or maybe I already know why. Because people are hurt by the perpetual system of lies built upon lies.

I read Dove and Bellringer, et al., and it makes me laugh that people would be so silly as to believe this garbage.

So sometimes I get a little angry at the liars and those that believe them, and I create a post like this.

How ironic is it that this web of "New Age" hooplah is based around money and religion (Mormons)?

By the way, can you (Amethyst) please define "New Age" for me?

Does New Age Spirituality always include stuff that is totally unproven and faith-based?

And isn't that just replacing one faith-based religion with another?

NESARA should be squashed immediately. It will never happen, it will never be announced, it is not being worked on in the 5D to emanate in the 3D.

Lavar isn't talking to anyone other than himself.

There is no Starship Capricorn.

There is no Sananda.

You will all die before anything like NESARA is announced.

And you can pretty it up all you want, those are the facts....accept it or don't. I don't care.

And First Contact has already happened.

organic · 2006-05-25 15:49:18

http://www.religioustolerance.org/newage.htm

I don't know how to classify my own belief system if I need to even classify it at all. Having spent a lifetime in organized religion, I am now free to think how I want. Some of the new age stuff I embrace and other stuff I don't. I think if I had to lean toward some sort of specific belief system, it would be gnosticism.

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlintro.html

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tstandamn · 2006-05-25 15:54:46

Cool organic.

Thanks for that post. I enjoyed that information.

Are things heating up in Az?

organic · 2006-05-25 16:01:27

It will be a mere 106 degrees today. Arggh! June and July is always around 115 everyday. No wonder I can't seem to grow anything around here except a cactus.

tstandamn · 2006-05-25 16:05:19

Wow. That is freaking scorching. I can't believe it. You must stay inside all day then, eh?

My buddy from Georgia was here last week and he froze is butt off. It was 60 degrees!

We were walking around in shorts and he had a leather jacket on, chattering his teeth! hee hee hee

organic · 2006-05-25 16:47:36

I must be out of my mind to be living in this god forsaken state. We get a 5 month blistering hot summer. Then a pee willy fall and an even more pathetic winter. What's spring? Must come and go in the blink of an eye 'cause I keep missing it every year. Hubby loves this heat. He was born and raised here. I'm from Florida and that's a different kind of heat. Very humid.
Yes, we do stay inside in the summer. Or it's the mall or theaters. No one goes to the public parks because the equipment can burn a kid's skin. There's heat advisories in affect all the time. Arizona is the sunblock capital of the nation. When we go swimming it's before 10:00 in the morning or after 5:00. Believe me you burn baby burn here. And good luck in going anywhere without water. Best not to take any chances in case you break down or are stuck in traffic. 21 people died last summer. Most of them were homeless. It got up to 121. Even my cats stay inside. Time for a move and I'm in the works to find something with a little more color, too. I've killed every fruit and vegetable garden and pretty much flowers that I've grown. Rock and cactus is quite popular here. Arggh. Definitely need more color. You got to go up north for that. Yep, I whine a lot at this time of year. Maybe hubby will get the message this time.

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genniii · 2006-05-25 18:16:00

organic wrote:
I am now free to think how I want.

It took me a long convoluted journey to get to thinking how I want

but perhaps I may have gone further than you

I was raised in an organized religion but amongst those to whom the dogma was irrelavent
Church was social other than Sunday morning obligations
there were frequent festivals which were parties at the 'clubhouses' in the woods
frequently there were traveling carnivals in adjacent fields and parades and picnics
and our beloved paster drunk and laughing along with us
and even playing childrens games and hunting rabbits with the adults
If we had one of those 'modern' pervert priests I am sure our paster knew where all the guns were and would have 'taken care of business'

but my family got around a lot
and other locations soured me on church with all the money whinning
even though I knew the Bible well
well enough to eventually lecture at colleges and universities on meditation, death and dieing as per scripture

and I also got into magic
and drinking and dancing and sex (Thank Gawd)
and girls bands that were 'spiritual' and attended seances and channelers

I was astral projecting when I was in second grade
seeing things before they came to reality from about that time too
kept dream journals for about 25 years
had friends that saw and spoke with spirit

and really got deep into gnosticism

----
the Nag Hammadi's Gospel of Thomas sez:
"When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
and
"I shall give you what no eye has seen and what no ear has heard and what no hand has touched and what has never occurred to the human mind."
and
"If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

It is my belief that there is meditation and there is meditation
with no comparison betwixt the two
I know that sounds like gobelidygook

but I believe if one can train the self to be duplicate of who you are as a dreamer when you fast as regards the world(sleep) then that one will grow more and more
and all the worlds stage becomes a background display secondary to the main arena
and the main arena is so far beyond this secondary stage that most folk would not accept a tenth of possible not even accepting acomplishments as probable

Partly through the school (Ramtha.com) but out in the world also, I have met many who are not the norm of the marketplace
and like those children of the 60's they are changing the world such that we can never ever go back to what was

why do ya think those who fear the erosions of what thier forefathers lied and cheated to establish above the common are trying so desperatly to track and spy on everyone? They know - they know and dont want to believe
but they entered not through the door but rather cut through the fence and belong not in the primary reality that they used to conjur through
tstandamn speaks of lies lies lies yet lies have ruled against self knowledge and soveriegnity since mid Egyptian dynasty times
but that story is over
By Gospel of Thomas:
(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
and
24) His disciples said to him, "Show us the place where you are, since it is necessary for us to seek it."
He said to them, "Whoever has ears, let him hear. There is light within a man of light, and he lights up the whole world. If he does not shine, he is darkness."
and most of all
39) Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

the wise and the innocent will find a path
created again by the leavings of a multitude of footprints of those who have forged the way through impossible to accomplishment
he wise and the innocent's own intuition and love shall lead them to save themselves
and thier brothers
and thier sisters
and thier beloved precious Earth That has nurtured them to become what now they are
since the world as One ushered in a new era watching thier reality not crash as the hour stood still and marched across the plane from midnight to midnight
day by day event by event we are marching still
and there is more yet to come
some I am sure not even imaginable yet by me

remember, if you have heard
or even
if you have not yet heard,
Remote viewers of the governments and 'organizations' could not see immediatly after 2012
all the way up to some far distant time was blank to them
--- it was "so different" that they could not even "recieve" and comprehend
yet such time is now a shade over 6 years away
and we are already growing into comprehension
and what we yet dont comprehend our dreams are now seeding for us to experience and thus make real

genniii · 2006-05-25 18:47:17

organic wrote:
something with a little more color,
Definitely need more color.

color
http://www.artworldchicago.com/horainforoln.html

beautiful color
http://web.mit.edu/jxhu/www/olypen03.html

not dry color
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~avondale/extr … SC0005.JPG

wet sand and color
http://www.kaleberg.com/portangeles/dun … dbeach.jpg

"dry" area
http://www.seanet.com/~swmarlow/mtsh/mt … comsto.jpg

"inside" but not a mall
http://www.colantonio.net/wa/wa-08-2001-01.jpg

....... grin
........tempting?

organic · 2006-05-25 20:09:53

genniii wrote:
It took me a long convoluted journey to get to thinking how I want
but perhaps I may have gone further than you

Yes you have. I've only been out of "prison" since July of last year leaving mormonism forever. But I was festering for a few years before hand. Looks like you had a lot more fun growing up with organized religion then I did, too.

genniii wrote:
[and really got deep into gnosticism
the Nag Hammadi's Gospel of Thomas sez:

I'm into the nag hammadi stuff right now and it seems to speak to me. It's a good thing we still have many of the gospels to read.

genniii wrote:
[and I also got into magic
and drinking and dancing and sex (Thank Gawd)
and girls bands that were 'spiritual' and attended seances and channelers

Can't say as I've gotten into anything like that yet...(or want to).

genniii wrote:
kept dream journals for about 25 years

You have mentioned dreams many times in your posts and I do believe that dreams can be more "real" then what we think is "real" in the so called "real" world.

genniii wrote:
It is my belief that there is meditation and there is meditation
with no comparison betwixt the two
I know that sounds like gobelidygook

I would be interested in HOW you meditate, but you are so much farther along on your path of enlightenment I'm afraid I wouldn't understand you. I'm into the basic 30 minute dump my mind and just BE type of meditation. I gave up on playing around with other people's HOWS and just found what works for me. Perhaps the "how" isn't even important anyway?? But there is always room for improvement.

genniii wrote:
remember, if you have heard
or even
if you have not yet heard,
Remote viewers of the governments and 'organizations' could not see immediatly after 2012
all the way up to some far distant time was blank to them
--- it was "so different" that they could not even "recieve" and comprehend
yet such time is now a shade over 6 years away
and we are already growing into comprehension
and what we yet dont comprehend our dreams are now seeding for us to experience and thus make real

Does this mean we're screwed???

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organic · 2006-05-25 20:27:55

http://www.artworldchicago.com/horainforoln.html
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!

http://www.seanet.com/~swmarlow/mtsh/mt … comsto.jpg
Exactamundo!

http://www.colantonio.net/wa/wa-08-2001-01.jpg
Yes! Yes! That's IT! Hmmm...that IS it!!! Hmmm...exactly what I have in mind. Never seen that kind of house here in Arizona.
Gee, genniii, you got my wheels turning...I'm feeling VERY inspired right now...Must go "think"...Creative juices are flowing...

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organic · 2006-05-25 20:32:06

Now see what you did, genniii?! I'm saving this link as a favorite to inspire me -
http://web.mit.edu/jxhu/www/olypen03.html

And that house picture? -
http://www.colantonio.net/wa/wa-08-2001-01.jpg
It's now my desktop!!! Hmmm...me thinks it is speaking to me...

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organic · 2006-05-25 20:48:35

http://colantonio.net/wa/ -

Don't know who these people are, but check this picture out -

http://colantonio.net/wa/wa-08-2001-10.jpg

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genniii · 2006-05-26 05:02:46

organic wrote:
I would be interested in HOW you meditate

is this near you?

http://www.ramtha.com/cgi-bin/shopper.e … add=action

If they are including the C&E teaching that would be all you need

C&E opens the door

It is a copyrighted protected teaching that can only be obtained through the school so as to keep it pure

of course I also got the 9 hour video teaching of it (Very Rare) and you could come visit .....

if you have found your own way already and learn C&E you will have a treasure

sounds a lot like spam huh?
of course many have learned and not applied it
but if you already practice whatever you do
then we can assume you will continue practicing
and then you will really be doing your own

organic · 2006-05-26 05:11:24

genniii wrote:
is this near you?

http://www.ramtha.com/cgi-bin/shopper.e … add=action
If they are including the C&E teaching that would be all you need
C&E opens the door

I'm in Mesa and yes, that is close by. Thank you for this link.

What is C&E?

organic · 2006-05-26 05:20:36

Nevermind, I found it on her main website -

C&E® = R.
Consciousness and energy create the nature of reality.

C&E®.
Abbreviation of Consciousness & EnergySM. This is the service mark of the fundamental discipline of manifestation and the raising of consciousness taught in Ramtha's School of Enlightenment. Through this discipline the students learn to create an analogical state of mind, open up their higher seals, and create reality from the Void. A Beginning C&E® Workshop is the name of the introductory workshop for beginning students in which they learn the fundamental concepts and disciplines of Ramtha's teachings. The teachings of the Beginning C&E® Workshop can be found in Ramtha, A Beginner's Guide to Creating Reality, 3rd ed. (Yelm: JZK Publishing, a division of JZK, Inc., 2004).

tstandamn · 2006-05-26 12:40:15

Oh, the class that motivated Dove to become a first class liar.

Sign me up!!!

genniii · 2006-05-26 16:40:54

tstandamn wrote:
Oh, the class that motivated Dove to become a first class liar.

Sign me up!!!

Gawds, tstandamn, dont blame the Ram (Ramtha) for what his students do

.

but ya know there are some of those students of Ramtha had the 'missfortune' to have worse than a habit of lieing unveiled in front of all the others attending an event (anywhere from 300 to 2500 participants at a time at the ones I been to anyway)
but they endured
and they changed
and rechanged
and those I have a lot of respect for

.

I dont know Dove
although I have indeed read some of her/his(?) stuff
Some of what I read of as NESARA I myself know will eventually come to be
How it will come to be and what shape it will be when it emerges into our Now - I will find out when it happens
but NESARA is not the only thing that I watch

but I do also watch others than just Dove that so adamantly say whats and hows of the future
but the watching is more from my own understanding

I can picture someone having a few of thier own visions (because I have had my own)
hearing some of this and some of that
and making thier interpretations
and proclaiming this or proclaiming that

and obviously something within the messages rang a chord in some who heard
and some fanaticism was turned on
and then as day turned into days and weeks into years
well .... fanaticism cant persist thru endurance - it needs "New" fuel
and the thing within that responded is thrown out with the dissenchantment with the trigger

but if you look at your own, tstandamn, I bet there is a fire in you too
and if you could turn off all the 'Foriegn' 'out-there' taps that are fueling it into something other than your own
than your own could burn more brightly to you without all the other smoke screens
and if you had your own more clearly, then what someone else is doing would just be scenery along the way

I am now past my 60th decade
and I have been seeing far future since I was 9
I can remember back in my youth quitting a job that my Dad thought I was crazy to 'give up' such security
and I told him so assuredly that by the time I reach retirement age that stuff wouldnt exist anyway
I dont even remember what I saw but know I knew what I knew to tell him pensions and social security wouldnt exist to be depended on and it was more important to evolve myself. I was shocked out of the argument when my dad cried for me. It was years later that I grew to realize that he believed me, believing in me but feared what I said. Well he passed away in the 80s and a lot of this stuff just wasnt his time - but having had to hear things - he tried to prepare his kids for these days and I have much respect for that!

but you, tstandamn, are indeed of this time
so this is all YOUR STUFF too
Do not anchor your emotions in other's stuff
indulge in what is yours

I would offer you the challenge to think this way...
Myself, I believe we have been incarnating on earth ten and a half million years
we been beggar, borrower, rich man and thief, pauper, king hermit and pop star
we know what we see because somewhere back there we lived it
virtue isnt never living - virtue is saying I no longer have any need for that
when you were in the thick of what you were doing then all the kings men and all the kings horses wouldnt have been able to pry you away from yourself
anything you think you need to judge dont pile on the person you think you see it in - know instead that such is what you are able to see and give thanks to yourself having gotten to now

where need is gone then love can exist
and each of us are still a god in our awakening
otherwise we would be flying around up there laughing at us

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