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No thanks.  Icke is too "out there in left field " somewhere.  His work is too negative for my taste.  I don't think he even knows what real love is let alone how to experience true joy in day to day living.  Sorry.  Two thumbs down, way down. 

Even Hitler had some good quotes.

Icke's books are a waste of time.

"The doom of a nation can be averted only by a storm of flowing passion, but only those who are passionate themselves can arouse passion in others."
- Adolf Hitler

"Words build bridges into unexplored regions"
- Adolf Hitler

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"Great liars are also great magicians"
- Adolf Hitler
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"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think."
- Adolf Hitler

Always before God and the world, the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills"
- Adolf Hitler

"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
- Adolph Hitler Quotes

Amethyst wrote:

"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

There is another way of saying that:

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All History is writen by the winners
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Hasnt anyone else but me ever wondered what the history of western civilization would be if we could get the version written by all the "Losers"?



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At the North end of the Adriatic Sea
that lush intriguing land
that in our times were the Slavakian Countries
That the Roman Empire captured in it's time and named 'Slaves' after
what would be Thier Story?

or another 'Way of Story'
that I always wondered about ...
If the Hebrew People had never been captured by the Babylonians
and taken off to Babylon and forced by Babylonians to write thier story ...
What kind of Story would they have written on thier own without jailers editing over thier shoulders?



Might may be Right
but I wonder how much has been lost
that should have been retained
if victors were not so barbaric

From what I learned, the US did nto join world war 2 untill 1942.

When I say that to any and every american in the past, they jump at me with knives and tell me they were the first ones to step foot in europe to fight.

Depends on what books your read, history is a pile of lies over mistakes on lies and more mistakes.

Last edited by Myriad (2006-04-13 16:13:39)

Thats what heppens when you place hundred of thousands of people in schools with inacurate information. Even worse that the teachers dont always have an open mind and stick to exactly what is in the book. Too bad for those poor chilren who have infinite potential to grow their minds, but are being blocked by the system.

Use the internet I say, use it to learn.

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An interesting book to see the other side of the coin.  Ah, but here again, is Woods's version also skewed?   (Probably).

On the subject of who writes history - "winners" or "losers" we are currently seeing an active power struggle as the Vatican and other Catholic institutions try to censor and suppress the movie The Da Vinci Code this summer.  The church lost its battle to have the movie begin with all sorts of disclaimers, etc.       

The Bible and other religious texts are in a sense "history" books.  Opus Dei is a murky Catholic group that has been questioned before Dan Brown's book negatively highlighted it.  So what we are clearly seeing is a struggle as to whose "history" is accurate. 

I think this battle is particularly interesting now as 2 U.S. Supreme Court justices (Scalia & Alito) are Opus Dei at a time when the Supreme Court is losing legitimacy. 

To give you a flavor of this struggle to decide and control "history", I've excerped a bit from the Opus Dei official web site.  I would say the group appears to feel threatened.

The Da Vinci Code, the Catholic Church and Opus Dei
A response to The Da Vinci Code from the Prelature of Opus Dei in the United States.

March 23, 2006
Many people are intrigued by the claims about Christian history and theology presented in The Da Vinci Code. We would like to remind them that The Da Vinci Code is a work of fiction, and it is not a reliable source of information on these matters.

The Da Vinci Code has raised public interest in the origins of the Bible and of central Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus Christ. These topics are important and valuable to study, and we hope that interested readers will be motivated to study some of the abundant scholarship on them that is available in the non-fiction section of the library.

Those who do further research and exercise critical judgment will discover that assertions made in The Da Vinci Code about Jesus Christ, Mary Magdalene, and Church history lack support among reputable scholars. By way of example, The Da Vinci Code popularizes the idea that the fourth century Roman emperor Constantine invented the doctrine of the divinity of Christ for political reasons. The historical evidence, however, clearly shows that the New Testament and the very earliest Christian writings manifest Christian belief in the divinity of Christ. Other examples of discredited claims presented in The Da Vinci Code can be found in this FAQ from Catholic Answers….

You can read the full article here.    http://www.opusdei.us/art.php?p=7017

It looks to me like what we're seeing here is a current struggle as to who is going to be the "winner" that gets to write history?  Or Are we seeing that someone who previously was a "winner" (The Vatican, Opus dei) and thus was able to write history can no longer do so?

Your thoughts please.

Amethyst

Last edited by Amethyst (2006-04-14 03:21:56)

Thanks,
Organic.  I know I threw a bunch of questions out.

And here's another question to ponder on sychronicity and flow.  Notice how the flow of this thread went  - from David Icke - my quote from I Am Me - Tstandam's response on Hitler - Myriad's response with quotes - my interest in the history quote - everybody's thoughts on history  - and cycling back on my awareness that David Icke book's shifted in the last 5 to 10 years as the energy shifted - which then moved into questions on winners & losers and the Da Vinci Code. 

Now the point I'm struggling to make is that I did not have the above awareness until everybody's input moved things along.  It's as if there's some sort of creative energy in the spaces.  On Shawn's Uplink with the Fleet thread we were kicking around Devas.

It looks to me like we've got our own deva moving things along.

Amethyst

Last edited by Amethyst (2006-04-14 04:21:47)

Amethyst wrote:

The Da Vinci Code popularizes the idea that the fourth century Roman emperor Constantine invented the doctrine of the divinity of Christ for political reasons. The historical evidence, however, clearly shows that the New Testament and the very earliest Christian writings manifest Christian belief in the divinity of Christ.

It looks to me like what we're seeing here is a current struggle as to who is going to be the "winner" that gets to write history?  Or Are we seeing that someone who previously was a "winner" (The Vatican, Opus dei) and thus was able to write history can no longer do so?

"The historical evidence clearly shows..."  Who says so?  Oh yea, the Catholic Church said, so it must be so.  This whole Da Vinci Code thing is a good example of top dogs vying for power.  Religion has always had its nose in authoritative issues.  There is much to lose for organized religion if history would have to be rewritten.  And even if it doesn't get rewritten, thought paradigms DO change with a new slant on things and THAT can be quite a threat now can't it?  Men have even been killed to keep the same old story going.  It's all about power and control and THAT, too, is the same old story.

Last edited by organic (2006-04-14 13:33:24)

Amethyst wrote:

And here's another question to ponder on sychronicity and flow.  Notice how the flow of this thread went  - from David Icke - my quote from I Am Me - Tstandam's response on Hitler - Myriad's response with quotes - my interest in the history quote - everybody's thoughts on history  - and cycling back on my awareness that David Icke book's shifted in the last 5 to 10 years as the energy shifted - which then moved into questions on winners & losers and the Da Vinci Code.

It's always about synchronicity.  Don't you just love that!  Energy patterns, like thoughts, always find their way, in a synchronistic manner, to connect with other like energy/thought patterns.  I guess the universe takes care of that for us.  New ideas always seem to converge with different topics, too, but somehow they ALL still tie together.  There is a connection which allows for what is needed at that moment to keep thoughts flowing.  Like attracts to like AND SO IT IS.  Both you, Amethyst and genniii, have contributed greatly to many threads on this forum with different converging thoughts and that's what makes our discussions so interesting. 

Last edited by organic (2006-04-14 13:49:52)

Amethyst wrote:

2 very encouraging thoughts for where we are now and where we are going:
Once you know something, you cannot unknow it.
People who wake up stay awake.

Indeed both of these thoughts are so very true.  And thank goodness for that knowledge in keeping us plugging along on our path of enlightenment. 

Last edited by organic (2006-04-15 14:52:59)