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Ok if you think Im a mormon with to much spare time, then what are you doing here! If you think Nesara is CR__P then why do you waste your life disproving it.

Why not go get an eight ball and a prostitute and have a good time.

Nesara is real, you know all those trillions * 1000 of dollars in Bush's bank account, plus the money in his puppetmasters bank accounts, also all that gold in fort knox that was stolen from the people, will be given back to the people and currupt fools will be put in there place!


PS, I checked your beloved website is down, maybe they need nesara aswell for additional bandwidth.

As for action, if the word was given I can't even tell you the things I could do, since Im smart enough not to incriminate myself even though the rules wouldn't be able to touch me since I would be protected by diplomatic imunity. Since the rules were made by people who don't follow the rules of this universe. Plus I doubt the american army is used to fighting starships bigger than they're planet, aswell as soldiers that are 12 ft high, killer insticts and technology that would make GOD cry.

If you think there are no starships anywere then your either an illuminati dork you waits for people to post then you there to make people feel foolish for actually having the ability to have a beleif of there own, since people in the illuminati are not allowed, they just do what they're told, until they get jeolous and kill the guy in charge, until the day its they're turn to get stabbed in the back!

Last edited by shawn (2006-03-27 18:41:23)

You can have all of the belief you want.

But belief isn't fact.  That is why there are two separate words, with two distinctly different meanings.

I used to believe in all of this crap-ola. 

Then I woke up and smelled the coffee.

Best to have a "could be b.s., could be true" approach, whereas most around here including probably you utilize the "I want it to be true" when it comes to fact/b.s. discernment.  So tell me, what process or filter do you use in information gathering?  My guess, like I said, is that you operate from the "I want it to be true" perspective.  This will warp your version of fact, and will ultimately lead to living a "reality" much different than REALITY.  We see an awful lot of that around here.

And the thing is....I STILL BELIEVE.  I believe in aliens.  But I don't believe in magic, and I don't think NESARA is real.  After tons of research and dealing with NESARA liars who claimed they had proof and never put up....I am left with no choice.

So unless you have some magic proof other than some crap you read over the internet...that made you actually believe it was real, I would love to see it.  Please change my mind and prove that it is real and not just some amature spiritualists attempt at "creating reality."

If not, you can shout until you are blue in the face.

shawn

Yeah, the drug thing goes largely untalked about these days, but most of the heroin comes form the middle east.  I don't doubt that they are financing the whole operation, at least the covert stuff, with the drug trade.

This has been going on for decades, perfect model is the Central America situation.

What is the affect here?  Lots of lower socio-economical communities over run with highly addictive drugs, a larger gap between the MEGA RICH and everyone else...and an even greater gap between those in poverty versus the middle class.

Meanwhile we are listening to the music they give us, eating the food they provide for us, watching the TV and Movies they limit our consciousness with....addicted to the nipple of the Matrix and having the audacity to camplain about it.

Given the only other option, to completely rebel and move to the mountains like the Una-bomber....I choose to just participate and try to just enjoy myself.  I haven't the time or the power to buck the system.  But I can keep a happy house and provide loved ones with positivity...pointing out all the bull shit when I see it.  After all, they aren't changing until they want to.  And for the most part, I really don't blame them.  Ignorance is bliss.

AND SHAWN...

I have several friends in banks, and absolutely none of them has even heard of NESARA.  Furthermore, I actually know a Navy Seal...and he doesn't know anything about NESARA either.  My proof?  He has to wear a bulletproof vest when he is out in public, because he is such a protected and valuabel government asset.  Do you know any Navy Seals or Bank Officials?  My guess is no.  And if you go into a bank claiming to be in the FBI and you are not, you will be arrested immediately and charged with a Federal Offense.  Where do you get this crap?  Seriously.

See ya.

Last edited by tstandamn (2006-03-27 19:08:40)

Well it worked for me exept I didn't go in the bank I just called them and asked if they had received something in relation to the new monetary system.

No dove is a known source for dissinformation since she got all greedy

The only reason it hasn't been Implemented yet and the satan worshipping shit starters, haven't been kicked to the curb yet, is because GOD + the magical federation of planets, wanted to see if people could do it themselves, but because to much damage has been done the human populace, help has to come from an outside source.
Since its quite clear that God can't expect a bunch of crack addicts, rape victims, lightworkers who like meditating with candles, people who have to work 60 hours a week to live, people who are rich and in control and will kill anyone who tries to take it away, basically people who have beat down so much they think its normal, to have the audacity to simply say we're not taking it anymore and you have no power over me.

Because governments are supposed to be for the people, as soon as they tell you to do something you don't want, like to fight in there wars, you can tell them to go to hell and if they put you in prison get all the prisoners in the jail to work together and start another war, and burn down the house of the man that made the rule that states you had to go to prison.

I can't beleive the government has a rule that its illegal to go onto an alien spacecraft, there a line between national security and just making up stupid rules, I understand that there are aliens out there that are just as evil as our government, but its probably the good aliens they don't want us talking to, tough shit for them.

Last edited by shawn (2006-03-27 19:22:43)

tstandamn wrote:

For proof of NESARA being a total hoax, see Qataloos.com and for proof it is real....well, there is none, so I can't provide any links to information.

Spelled wrong.  Here it is -

http://quatloos.com/

There are other links, too. Working on it.  Where is Shaq, our resident Nesara debunking expert? 

Last edited by organic (2006-03-27 19:43:44)

http://www.rickross.com/groups/dove.html

Another link. 

That website was made by the same people that took the towers down, the only people that would call the IRS constitutional is obviosly the people who get all the money from the IRS to run there black projects to control your mind.


Anyway Im tired of talking about nesara, put it this way in 10 years the IRS won't exist, but of course it won't be because the human race helped out in anyway, since they don't beleive in anything exept there is no hope so run away.

People don't realise that they are not useless and they are not unimportant and if they actually use there voice and use there actions they can accomplish anything they desire even running away and complaining

Hey Shawn

the thing is....I  BELIEVE.
I believe in aliens.
Hell I had a mother ship fly some 50 feet over my head
so big I couldnt see the far side of it
I have laid outside in the night and said hello
and got a lightshow hello back
But I also believe in magic,
and I don't care if NESARA is real.
cause if it aint real then what happens will be called something else
most likely it will be called ordinary
the extroardinary once settled in around us is always the extra ordinary

25 years ago NO ONE could believe debit cards would EVER come to pass
shit 20 years ago
*** no one ****
woulda believed Homeland Security would exist in this world with the grand old US of A standing guard over reality
they didnt believe airplanes could fly
and I got some friends still cant believe I levitated right in front of thier eyes
and I doubt many readers would be able to believe reading that sentence either

but everything always changes

dont ever give up

Last edited by genniii (2006-03-27 21:32:50)

Shawn, I will have more time to address all your arguments over the weekend. But I want you to look up these few links and read up on them this is a copy and paste from another website. But before you go off and say, "these are all dark agenda sites." What proof do you have that these belong to the dark? Becuase Dove and other channelers claim so? Quatloos is owned by a lawyer(not the Bush gang), and that Rick Ross site is from a skeptical reporter who had doubts about the promises of NESARA becuase the evidence(none) doesnt add up. As far as the galactic link goes, the galactic fed. can easily establish that link and take care of business. The claim about the galactic link has been going on since last year and possibly before that. Were supposed to be dealing with highly efficient aliens and not a bunch of shy losers who cant even approach humanity yet. As far as their plans to clean up Earth, they could start with the Ozone, but instead they wait for more destruction and starvation. It really makes you question the credibility of these channelers and Dove herself. Not one fact has come true from any of this and they blame it all on the dark for their own downfalls. So does the paranormal exist? Yes, but sometimes you have to be able to know what is and what isnt real. A lot of fraud exists on the internet and you have to becareful what you believe.

One of the Biggest weaknesses of NESARA is the failure to defend itself. The below writing is just one example, for which NESARA has no defense of. Instead, NESARA will label the writing below as dark rather than approach it from an argumentative standpoint.

MUST VISIT LINKS:

http://www.quatloos.com/NESARA.htm
http://www.rickross.com/groups/dove.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/dove/dove3.html

NESARA is an acronym for the National Economic Stabilization and Recovery Act, which is a legislative proposal that merely reintroduces specie as alternative currencies to help combat anti-inflationary policies of the paper currency. The NESARA proposal is sponsored by the “NESARA Institute”, having offices at 7635 Jefferson Highway, No. 354, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70809 (Ph: 864-886-0657). Although the NESARA proposal has been presented to many Congresspersons over the years, and some have expressed interest in the proposal, it hasn't yet built up sufficient support for even introduction to Committee, much less to a full vote by Congress. Maybe someday the NESARA proposal will find support in Congress and may be presented for a vote, but that really isn't the point of this webpage. (You can read all about NESARA at www.nesara.org). The point of this webpage is that when certain scam artists claim that NESARA has been "enacted into law" by "secret Acts of Congress" they are telling a great big lie and total fabrication because NESARA has never even been formally made into a Bill or presented for either a Committee vote or a full vote or Congress

Scam artists often latch on to something that sounds good to relieve suckers of money. For example, scam artists will often set up boiler-room phone solicitations to seek charitable donations for firemen or policemen, which the scam artists then pocket without actually giving any money to firemen or policemen. The making of charitable donations to firemen and policemen is a good thing, but the scam artists simply divert the donations to their own pockets.

The NESARA proposal is currently being used in just this sort of a scam. Some of the same people who helped keep alive the myth that Omega Trust & Trading would eventually pay out millions of dollars for every $100 sent to “trader” Clyde Hood (now convicted and serving a lengthy prison sentence), are now saying that Omega Trust & Trading and the other “original Prosperity Programs” will still pay out their millions/ billions/ trillions/ quadrillions of dollars when (not if) the “true NESARA law” is finally announced.

The scam artists pitching the NESARA scam claim that the “True NESARA Law” was already adopted by Congress in 2001, but that Congress has been keeping it a secret all this time (like anybody in Washington D.C. can really keep a secret about anything), and that soon the “True NESARA Law” will be announced. According to these scam artists, the “True NESARA Law” does the following:

All of the “Prosperity Programs” (failed HYIP and bank debenture scams) will fund, giving zillions of dollars to those smart enough to have invested in them and believed in them even after their promoters were convicted of fraud and went to prison.

Because the funding of the “Prosperity Programs” will swamp the Earth with wealth, nobody in any country will ever have to pay taxes again, which is nice.

Because the banks will have more money than they will know what to do with (because of deposits from those smart enough to invest in the “Prosperity Programs”), there will be “Debt Forgiveness” of all debts, i.e., home mortgage payments, car payments, credit card payments, whatever, which is also nice.

The scam artists have set up several websites “updating” NESARA and pitching the coming debt forgiveness and new money system. These websites make some of the wildest, bizarre, and downright gut-busting statements as to why the “True NESARA Law” has not yet been announced. For instance, at http://www.2012.com.au/ NESARA_Update.html the scammers claim that on September 11, 2001,

" at 10 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time, Alan Greenspan, was scheduled to announce the new Treasury Bank system, DEBT FORGIVENESS for all U.S. citizens, and abolishment of the IRS as the first part of the public announcements of NESARA.

Instead, at just before and after 9 a.m. EDT, planes attacked the World Trade Center. The attack on the WTC served to stop the announcement of NESARA because a crucial banking computer center on the first and second floors of the WTC was prevented from carrying out a computer system download to U.S. banks which was scheduled to begin at 9 A.M. EDT."

This same website similarly claims that:

“For the last month in Orange County California, citizens have been receiving letters enabling them to have ALL their credit card debts forgiven and their mortgage debt taken off their shoulders. If their mortgage was taken out before 1997, it is totally "forgiven" and the DEED to the property will be mailed out to the owner. If the mortgage was taken out during 1997 or later, the mortgage bank is required to turn it into a "self-liquidating loan" which the BANKS are required to pay off on behalf of the citizens. Some lucky people in Orange County are receiving these benefits of NESARA which EVERY citizen in the United States is SUPPOSED to have ALREADY RECEIVED!”

Hmmm. So everybody in Orange County, California (about 4 million people) had all their debts forgiven but the rest of the nation didn’t hear about it? Wow, the power of the government to suppress information cannot be underestimated! For that matter, we here at Quatloos! are all in Orange County, but our debts weren’t forgiven. Hmmm.

But if you think all of that is strange, you haven’t heard anything yet. The primary scam artist goes by the name of "Dove of Oneness" or usually just “Dove” hosts a website called “The Four Winds” at http://www.fourwinds10.com that spews a bunch of New Age hooey, such as “Lord Ari’s Galactic Tales”. Additionally, Dove has an “update line” that you can call at: (206) 781-3897 to hear the latest updates on the “True NESARA Law”. These updates, which are archived both on Dove’s website and ours (for posterity, of course) offer totally bizarre news events, such as that “100,000 Bankers who would not accept the True NESARA Law have been eliminated” and that the spaceships of the Galacticans are regularly seen visiting Washington D.C.

For those of you in law enforcement, Dove has listed her address for purposes of sending “donations” as:

Dove
3430 Pacific Ave. SE
Suite A6, Box 217
Olympia, Washington 98501

which apparently, in a course consistent with more sane scam artists, is simply a drop-box. Dove has conspired with a bunch of other scam artists/nuts

But others much less intelligent have allowed themselves to be drawn into this scam, as have some who have been mentioned as “White Knights” (whom the scammers claim are persons that protect the “True NESARA Law” and fight for it’s announcement) who probably aren’t even aware of NESARA. The nut category includes Sheldan Nidle, who gives updates from the Planetary Activation Organization, http://www.paoweb.com, and writer David Icke, http://www.davidicke.com, who claims that most important politicians and leaders are actually shape-shifting lizards from outer space, see http://www.davidicke.com/ icke/ temp/ reptconn.html.

But as amazingly stupid as all this stuff is, it is still nothing more-or-less than a scam, and one that is at times simple to discern and at other times more complex.

The easy part of the scam is little more than a common “donations” scam. Dove and several of these nuts openly solicit “donations”, ostensibly to keep their phone lines on, etc. When they need more money, they will spin a bogus tale of somebody needed medical treatment or an operation, or about somebody’s house about to foreclosed, and invite their listeners to send them money. Then, they simply pocket the cash.

The most active of these scammers is Jennifer Lee who, again for our friends in law enforcement, lists her address for purposes of sending “donations” as:

8726 South Sepulveda, Apt. B-13
Los Angeles, California, 90045

Jennifer operates her own “update line” at (310) 842-5902, and daily (and sometimes three or four times per day) generates several minutes of airhead stream-of-consciousness, usually summarizing Dove’s updates or reciting the babble of several other scam artists who have come on board. These scam artists have amusing names, such as “A and A”, the “King of Swords”, and our personal favorite, “The Nameless Ones”.

Usually, towards the end of her message, Jennifer will spin a sob story about not being able to pay the rent, or pay her phone bill, or pay her electricity bill, or whatever else comes to mind, and about once a week she asks for money to “help” somebody else out. The Galacticans must sure be cheap if they themselves can’t help ‘ol Jennifer out with the phone bill!

From this relatively simple scam comes the more complex stuff. Dove and other scam artists will from time-to-time either offer themselves or direct their listeners to their shills who continue to sell units in one or another of the “Prosperity Programs”. Believe-it-or-not, people actually send money to these idiots to buy units in programs that have proven to be totally fraudulent, and where the original promoters (such as Omega’s Clyde Hood) are serving long prison terms. Ah, the stupid and their money shall soon be parted . . .

Some of Dove’s function is just to keep the scam victims quiet and thinking that eventually they will receive their money. Before Clyde and the other Omega fraudsters were indicted, Dove was strident in remarks aimed at keeping the sheep in line for sheering. Although we’re not sure, Dove’s voice seems eerily familiar to that of “Mumbles”, who ran a scam called Destiny that was supposed to “fund” at the same time as Omega. People actually sent “Mumbles” $100 bills wrapped in aluminum, without getting receipts, and then listened to bizarre messages predicting imminent funding on a voice machine traced to Texas. Again, the stupid and their money are soon parted . . .

This scam also has, in addition to the weird New Age aspects, an extremist left-wing bent. Hardly a week goes by that Dove doesn’t call for or predict the arrest of Bush, Cheney, et al., and at times Dove’s messages have seemed to be an open invitation for some nut to take unilateral action and attempt to assassinate them so that the “Prosperity Programs” can finally fund........

Continued on this page http://www.quatloos.com/NESARA.htm

he could jump of off like any building and land on his feet, I bet they trained him to jump from airpanes with no parachute or something.

Still obsessed with the idea of me being an agent? What else can you expect from someone who suffered from mania.

I thought I read that computer uplink would be AFTER first contact...?

Stop making excuses for them. There wouldnt be a need for an uplink after first contact.

Last edited by shaq786 (2006-04-10 04:07:18)

genniii, You truly have a gift for words and verbal imagery.

What beautiful and peaceful imagery for what is often called by the frightening term “End Times”.

**but I also know that what we teach in Western Civilization Classes in Colleges and Universities is only a portion of a long story that is just about finished
as my favorite teacher put it:
we are on the last chapter
the last page
the last paragraph
the last sentence
already past the last letter of the last word
and about to emerge from the far side of the ending Period**

And this is new to me:

**Legendary Future America was known by ancient prehistoric Egyptians**

**and The New Story Is Beginning
it shall not march east or west
but emerge everywhere
but it began already
in the lands that remained from ancient Lemuria that was seen by mystics looking as they could and naming such America

The Best is yet to come**

Beautiful, hopeful, and true. 

Amethyst

genniii said:

"leading me to believe that this Northwest Pacific Coast 'green' area that sees so much rain
(down to somewhere south of Cottage Grove Oregon)
is what has endured (although sometimes as swamp in places) since Lemurian times
and that is why it has more of a "Spiritual" flavor than say Miami New york or Chicago
for the land still embodies it's history carrying such through so to speak to guide that which is coming into existance"

Now that is really interesting.  I had never heard that it was a remnant of Lemuria.

That might explain the anomaly of Moclips, on the Quinault Reservation, the only temperate rain forest on the planet.  I haven't been to Moclips in years but I remember a distinctly eerie feeling.  Have you ever been there?  It really has an other worldy feel to it.

I know that Seattle has the lowest per capita church attendance of any city in the country and a large New Age community.  Over 5,000 people met at the old Kingdome in 1987 to honor the Harmonic Convergence. 

I think that mountain you were trying to think of is Mount Constitution as it's on Orcas Island and is the tallest mountain in the San Juans. 

Amethyst

Last edited by Amethyst (2006-04-12 02:19:41)