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tstandamn · 2006-01-11 14:34:22

Again, as we have both said a million times, we aren't against the concept of NESARA per se. We simply would like for people to wake up to the fact that they have been lied to concerning NESARA. And for a group of people who seem to claim to uphold a higher standard of honesty, they certainly don't seem to care about all of the lies that come directly from the ones who created the NESARA buzz. This inconsistency is what really grinds our gears.

And now a question for enigma, and any other NESARA groupie to answer, or more likely, to avoid answering.

What indications are there that we are any closer to a NESARA announcement, then we were 5 years ago?

Hmmm?

epiphany · 2006-01-11 18:38:56

shaq786 wrote:
there are politics in every organization.....but everyone will come together eventually.
Disagree. When something is passed in congress or policies are passed by companies on their workers there are always opponents and proponents. Even if NESARA was real(if it was I wouldnt be here), when it would be announced you would see different lump sums of the population rioting. Why? Becuase their favorite leaders have been taken out of office. So if NESARA trys to boot out congressmen and senators who have high favor from their constituents, you darn sure as heck better hope they have good proof to justify removal or all hell will break loose.

I don't know you but I recognize that you are on this forum for one reason and that is to have control over others.
Your obviously new on this forum so I'll cut you some slack. If you dont know by now, I debunk NESARA becuase all that I have found shows it to be fruadulent. If you want to pursue this further I'll send you my previous posts. In all the posts that I make, I encourage people to do the research and verify everything for themselves BEFORE they agree with my story. And if they dont agree with it then they can debate me on it, ask questions, or ignore it. In either case, I will continue to post my story whether they like it or not. But by no means do I force them to accept my findings.

You see no truth in anything do you?
I'm sure there is plenty truth in the UFO field, and govt. cover up of ET. However, there is no truth in NESARA aliens or NESARA for that matter. You obviously havent known me long enough to understand my position.

Because if you did feel the Father speaking in your heart you would be agreeing with us
People have different religions all around the world. Do you really expect everyone to worship Sananda once he makes his "second comming"? I dont think so. You should know that I dont attack the spirtual aspect of NESARA becuase religion and spirtualism is all based on faith. I attack physical claims made on NESARA that are non-existant.

I only feel sadness for you.
So you feel sadness for all that do not agree with you?

Really all we can do is pray for you shaq and hope you see some kind of light soon.
I also pray for you people as well so you will see this con job for what it is.

here's a quote from U shaq on another posting and you were replying about actions:

"How can you say its the only plan? Many people can come up with plans. I have a plan. How about calling for an official investigation of crimes commited by politicians and corporations, which can result in removals and call for oversight by different committees.

Thats one plan out of a million. You may say that its not developed, but neither is NESARA's plan. NESARA talks about removal of corrupt govt. people and replace them right? How do you expect NESARA to remove the corrupt senate and house members? In order to do this, you have to have PHYSICAL PROOF that they did something wrong. That means court cases, for many of these people, and you know how court cases are, prolonged and draged out."

I asked you a question on another post but you didn't answer:
I told U that I called my rep about the censuring of Bush/Cheney on Jan 9th...I told my rep that I was in favor of this bill to impeach Bush...I asked if you did the same..you tell people that they are believing this concept of nesara, and U 2 would have to admit that you think our gov't needs fixing..but have U done anything about it..? when I read your postings I think you are scared that your comfort zone would soon be uncomfortable IF something should happen to our gov't and our economy....
Also I wrote C-Span asking them to cover the commision that will be happening Jan 20th when they will be having people testifying against the Bush & co...our media lulls us to sleep and many dont care, or dont want to see the truth. and so Shaq..with all do respect..you and TST have your opinions and I have mine...and so this is what makes the world go round..have your say..but look at yourselves and see your postings how you do pounce on those that speak for what they are learning about.
I know you say you are trying to show them the other side, you are trying to do them a favor, however, you are doing the oposite, you are making yourselves look like you are getting paid to do this...why else would you devote much time and effort to debunking peoples opinions..are you just some good sumeriatians? I hope so..I like good and kind people..they are the bones of this earth, and we need all the help we can get!
Peace...

tstandamn · 2006-01-11 22:12:37

Here is the key difference :

"how you do pounce on those that speak for what they are learning about"

should be "what they think they are learning about."

Is it better for someone to be assisted in finding the truth, or is it better to let people figure it out on their own?

Either way, we don't pounce on the person, only the message (most of the time). And we have every right to pounce on any message posted. Unless we are in the "Safe NESARA" section.

enigma · 2006-01-11 23:20:51

There are now five telepaths recieving messages from the galactic federation. They are all suddenly giving information that the next two weeks will see an announcement and a first contact event.

Check out this site:
http://insights2.org//nesara/Armada.html

shaq786 · 2006-01-12 00:42:21

I told U that I called my rep about the censuring of Bush/Cheney on Jan 9th...I told my rep that I was in favor of this bill to impeach Bush...I asked if you did the same

I have not. But why do I have to do the exact same thing that you have to do? I am neither a republican or democrat. But now lets imagine you going on the street and asking a neutral the same question "I told my rep. to censure bush, did you remember to do the same thing?"

As you were saying, I did propose another plan(aside from NESARA) to change govt., but only to demonstrate that ANYONE can come up with a plan to change govt. From the previous thread, GalacticBeing's argument was that NESARA is the only plan, but really anyone can come up with a plan. It was put up for arguments sake, but it does not mean that I am going to go out and get everyone to sign onto that.

you tell people that they are believing this concept of nesara, and U 2 would have to admit that you think our gov't needs fixing..but have U done anything about it..?

I never claimed to be a political activist, or a hopeful for change. Just becuase I see a few problems in govt. doesnt mean I should immediately take on the role to fix them.

On the flip side, the majority of people here want change more badly than me. Why? Becuase they believe our govt. is bad and want to revamp everything. Instead the majority of people here put trust in channelings and writings from Dove for this change to happen. I am merely saying that nothing will happen(based on all info. that I have gathered) and you should take action(just like you did Epip.) IF they want change that BADLY. On the other hand, there are non-NESARA supporters who really dont care either way about desparate need for change becuase they dont necessarily agree with the problems that crazy conspiracy theorist propose.

when I read your postings I think you are scared that your comfort zone would soon be uncomfortable IF something should happen to our gov't and our economy

Its like I said above, I really dont care if NESARA is announced or not, nor am I hopeful of its announcement.

our media lulls us to sleep and many dont care, or dont want to see the truth.

They better have good proof or I wouldnt care either.

how you do pounce on those that speak for what they are learning about.

I am a debunker. I pounce on the message, but alot of times people feel that I am pounching on them by pounching on their message, but my goal is not to attack them unless they attack me first. You have to recall that this is a public forum. People will question and criticize a message or claim. This happens in the real world all the time.

I know you say you are trying to show them the other side, you are trying to do them a favor, however, you are doing the oposite, you are making yourselves look like you are getting paid to do this

How so? Becuase people dont know how to defend their beliefs thus have to label me as a disinfo agent? I am a debunker. Call me what you want. In either case, I will not go away until I am PROVED wrong. Let me give you some hope, Galactic being was talking about his NESARA video, when Dove uploads this video on her site I will look into it and see what she has to say.

why else would you devote much time and effort to debunking peoples opinions..are you just some good sumeriatians?

Becuase I dont to see misled people who are fooled by this con job. I was also temporarly once in this category, and I'm glad I got out.

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epiphany · 2006-01-12 01:53:48

tstandamn wrote:
Here is the key difference :

"how you do pounce on those that speak for what they are learning about"

should be "what they think they are learning about."

Is it better for someone to be assisted in finding the truth, or is it better to let people figure it out on their own?

Either way, we don't pounce on the person, only the message (most of the time). And we have every right to pounce on any message posted. Unless we are in the "Safe NESARA" section.

tst..thank you for correcting my english..I appreciate your efforts..

epiphany · 2006-01-12 02:06:57

shaq786 wrote:
I told U that I called my rep about the censuring of Bush/Cheney on Jan 9th...I told my rep that I was in favor of this bill to impeach Bush...I asked if you did the same
I have not. But why do I have to do the exact same thing that you have to do? I am neither a republican or democrat. But now lets imagine you going on the street and asking a neutral the same question "I told my rep. to censure bush, did you remember to do the same thing?"

As you were saying, I did propose another plan(aside from NESARA) to change govt., but only to demonstrate that ANYONE can come up with a plan to change govt. From the previous thread, GalacticBeing's argument was that NESARA is the only plan, but really anyone can come up with a plan. It was put up for arguments sake, but it does not mean that I am going to go out and get everyone to sign onto that.

you tell people that they are believing this concept of nesara, and U 2 would have to admit that you think our gov't needs fixing..but have U done anything about it..?
I never claimed to be a political activist, or a hopeful for change. Just becuase I see a few problems in govt. doesnt mean I should immediately take on the role to fix them.

On the flip side, the majority of people here want change more badly than me. Why? Becuase they believe our govt. is bad and want to revamp everything. Instead the majority of people here put trust in channelings and writings from Dove for this change to happen. I am merely saying that nothing will happen(based on all info. that I have gathered) and you should take action(just like you did Epip.) IF they want change that BADLY. On the other hand, there are non-NESARA supporters who really dont care either way about desparate need for change becuase they dont necessarily agree with the problems that crazy conspiracy theorist propose.

when I read your postings I think you are scared that your comfort zone would soon be uncomfortable IF something should happen to our gov't and our economy
Its like I said above, I really dont care if NESARA is announced or not, nor am I hopeful of its announcement.

our media lulls us to sleep and many dont care, or dont want to see the truth.
They better have good proof or I wouldnt care either.

how you do pounce on those that speak for what they are learning about.
I am a debunker. I pounce on the message, but alot of times people feel that I am pounching on them by pounching on their message, but my goal is not to attack them unless they attack me first. You have to recall that this is a public forum. People will question and criticize a message or claim. This happens in the real world all the time.

I know you say you are trying to show them the other side, you are trying to do them a favor, however, you are doing the oposite, you are making yourselves look like you are getting paid to do this
How so? Becuase people dont know how to defend their beliefs thus have to label me as a disinfo agent? I am a debunker. Call me what you want. In either case, I will not go away until I am PROVED wrong. Let me give you some hope, Galactic being was talking about his NESARA video, when Dove uploads this video on her site I will look into it and see what she has to say.

why else would you devote much time and effort to debunking peoples opinions..are you just some good sumeriatians?
Because I dont to see misled people who are fooled by this con job. I was also temporarly once in this category, and I'm glad I got out.

shaq
I do think our gov't is corrupt, I do think that our gov't is diseased and I do want to change it. So I called my rep, and wrote more letters. You on the other hand just proved to be what I suspected all along, you like the way things are and you think nothing is wrong. SO go back to sleep and watch the media tell you what they want you to know. Watch your entertainment and relax..enjoy the show..
You worked hard all day you deserve it..why not..
You like to play with the beast..that is what you like to do..
Have fun...
I'm done talking to you about gov't, religion, NESARA, channeling messages,starships. You are here just to take energy away from people. You are here to challenge, go challenge yourself, go on quataloos and have a good time...
You are not here to learn anything..you have already learned all you want to know spiritually...I can see that by what you wrote here...
Peace..that is all I have so say to you Peace and enjoy....

shaq786 · 2006-01-12 03:11:15

I do think our gov't is corrupt, I do think that our gov't is diseased

Just becuase a few people in our govt. are corrupt doesnt mean the whole thing is.

So I called my rep, and wrote more letters.

You can write all the letters you want, but one thing is for certain people have their own agenda. If any of them wanted to impeach bush they would do so on their own grounds not yours. Dont forget to mention NESARA.

You on the other hand just proved to be what I suspected all along, you like the way things are and you think nothing is wrong.

Your wrong again. I said there are things wrong with the govt. in certain areas and in other areas the govt. is fine. I'll point out one section that needs revamping and investigation, Black Ops and Black Budget military programs. That holds the key to alternate energy, alien disclosure, and any other technology that may cure people and end starvation. Last time I heard, they keep the president out of the loop on black budget programs. That was the opinion of the Canadian Prime Minister and Dr. Greer. Why are you wasting time trying to get the president impeached??????????????????? How do you know the next president wont continue with the war??????
You seem to think everything will just fall through once the president is out of office. However, if you get rid of Bush, that does NOTHING to the black ops and black budget programs that fund places like Area 51. Nor does that get rid of any corruption from federal agencies.

SO go back to sleep and watch the media tell you what they want you to know.

And you go back to fourwinds and hear what YOU want to hear. Atleast the media provides physical proof.

On a side note: I never said the media does not manipulate and mislead, but they DONT do it all the time like your channeler friends. And also, not everyone in the media is corrupt. Fourwinds and Dove have you believe that everyone working for CNN, Fox, and any newspaper company is against NESARA becuase their CIA disinfo agents. Could it be that they are healthy skeptics?

You are here to challenge, go challenge yourself, go on quataloos and have a good time...

Whats wrong with challenge? You seem to forget the concept of balance. I provide balance here. I am a debunker and I will go wherever I want.

You are not here to learn anything..you have already learned all you want to know spiritually

I have learned quite a bit over the years of research about ET and UFOs, alternate energy, and NESARA aliens and channelers dont fit the bill. Maybe you should get acquainted with people like Roger Leer, Greer, Stanton Friedman, etc.

As for spirtuality, why do I have to believe what you believe? In other words, why do I have to believe that Sananda is my savior?

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epiphany · 2006-01-12 15:37:59

shaq I never asked you to believe in anything I believe ever...I will not, and I care not to. You are you, I am me, and that is what makes the world go round. You go on and claim you are a debunker..a defraud disinformation guy, you are a detective...I'm happy for U...I do like challenge that is why I have 4 kids, that is why I am alive..but I don't like my energies zapped either...
Peace buddy...and smile ...

Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak … sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go - Unknown

tstandamn · 2006-01-12 16:07:22

How did I know you would take that "turn" when it came down to a nice debate.

That is kind of a usual tactic when you get served.

BTW, the last post above wasn't correcting your english. I was adding to the content by saying that people may think they are learning factual material when they aren't.

Your'e right though, an English teacher with a red pen would have a field day around here.

epiphany · 2006-01-12 22:55:24

hey t stan damn...
you say you were adding to the content by saying that people MAY think they are learning factual material when they aren't...
Perhaps they ARE learning something after all...with all due respect why are you the one to determine if they are learning or if they are not....that is for the person to decide...

Actually I maintained an A in english in all levels of schooling....well where is my red marker..ah here..a big fat zero all over the postings!!!!

lizm · 2006-02-16 10:57:08

Hi EveryOne,

You can see miracles around and in the paper everyday but you maybe are not noticing.
The new flat tax is taking root in a few countries already and Rumania has replaced one unit of its currency with ten.
Lots of countries have sightings of alien ships especially Mexico and India.
These things all show that nesara is taking place all around. If you want to ignore these things that is fine as we all can stay at whatever level we choose.
Some of us choose to move on. Ask for help from your angels and these things will be shown to you. They are there to help as that is their job.
Liz

tstandamn · 2006-02-16 14:04:04

Liz,

With all respect, could you please explain how the alien sightings around the world show that NESARA is taking place all around? I see absolutely no connection there. If you could provide the connection I would greatly appreciate it. Also, look at the first couple of posts on this thread, which took place months ago. First contact was promised within a couple of weeks, and again, nothing.

Now all of the "fairy tale groupies" have fled this forum and are now posting safely on the new site, which I am not allowed to join. Reason? They aren't concerned with the truth over there, just as much as they didn't care about it over here.

kskrinjar · 2006-02-17 10:45:40

@ shaq
everyone to his/hers opinion we are all individuals

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