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I haven't seen anything of NESARA in the 3rd (and 4th) dimension.

So that means all the physical claims about NESARA from Dove(passing by congress and signed by Bill Clinton), along with all the failed announcements were all a lie?

I also havent seen anything to justify NESARA's physical existance, but my question to you is how do you justify the stories of Dove and channelers that make physical claims on NESARA?

I have said this before, and I sincerely believe that what I read from a channelled message from Sananda Immanuel and Lauren is true, he told her that NESARA was a concept. So that is meaning to me..that Nesara is not a factual law...ok...
I have no proof that clinton signed anything and then took it up with the world court to get it taken away...Nesara, 1st contact,2nd coming..all in these nice sequels that will come to fruitation...
Nesara has everything to do with gov't, and our gov't stinks, it's corrupt, congress is full of disease from the payoffs they get from corporations that are allowed to kill, harm, and poision our people and our earth, but this congress allows...because of MONEY..
so when we clean up our gov't we will see NESARA get announced..but we haven't seen anything happen yet..Bush is still in power, along with cheney that runs the show, we are still in Iraq, and fed the propaganda about the terrorists, 911, ect..
Pat fitz is supposed to bring the house of cards down, we are waiting..
so when our gov't gets fixed, because it is diseased then we can see the proof, thoughts into words, into action..
then First contact can happen....
Then we can fix religion lots of healing on that..sananda immanuel can make his 2nd coming and that is why the order is the way it is..I have asked many times, sananda and st germain why is it in this order? This is the answer I keep getting..we gotta fix our diseased gov't first, then everything else can take place...

I would not call them a lie.

Well considering that Dove has initiated massive money collection campaigns(HYIP Scams), along with personal begging for money really makes you question their credibility.

I think there is a huge proces taking place.

But not even a single activist soul willing to  come forward or leak evidence anonymously about NESARA's existance. I still dont see that NESARA currency that is supposed to be stock piled in banks.

If people claim personal proof, that is OK with me. Who are we to judge that these people are lying and should not claim their proof?

But would you believe every story you hear? Dont you think its time for more discretion based on what is actually presented to you in the physical rather than relying upon intuition and spirtual disernment to answer every question in the world? For example, I just exposed a fraud on another forum. If you dont believe you may ask Tiaka9 about the whole thing. This happened on the Yahoo group Discerning Angels.

Some person(Cara) put out a story about a close friend of hers that recieved NESARA currency(thats right, the new bills). All of a sudden for some reason her computer was down and all these other problems popped up and we couldnt even get a scanned image of the bill. I came back 2 months later(not willing to let it go, yes I am very persistant) and signed up on that yahoo group and confronted Cara about it. I told her that she was lying becuase her friend doesnt have the bill. She replied back and told me that her friend's husband SPENT the bill.

So ummm.... tell me what genius working at publix walmart kroger or even the pawn shop takes false bills. I told her that her story didnt make any sense becuase of this big contradiction. All of a sudden, many of the NESARA believers on that Yahoo group that first believed Cara's story started to question her story becuase of me. We exposed a fraud in the works, and this fraud never bothered to answer their questions but just ignored the whole thing.

I will make one guarantee to you and every person on this forum: Nothing physical will surface from NESARA in spite of the claims of ongoing physical processes to get NESARA announced.

The 'real' lie to me is www.nesara.com

All I will say is that this idea of not trusting NESARA.com was started by Dove, Bellringer, and the rest of the bunch who dont have a single shread of proof against Harvey Bernard or Quatloos. All they tell you is that they are evil dark disinformation websites. On the flip side, we see places like quatloos debunk Dove, J.L, and Bellringer and point out all of their discrepancies. Of coarse its easy to say, "Well the bush disinfo. sites have all the resources in the world and can make anyone look bad," however, I am talking about discrepancies that are irrefutable fact. If your interested in some of these discrepancies then I will be glad to post them all over again as they are scattered throughout these capricorn forums.

Before even taking over NESARA, I believe the Galactic Federation knew that there had to be equal abundance here on Earth to bring up the level of Earth vibration for the Shift.  To share in all abundance changes the vibrations of the human population.  It was never known as NESARA before, just abundance.

No hard feelings TST.  I was never into NESARA before or even the Dove.  However, I did know about the abundance plan that was being worked out for Earth.  And when I looked around on the internet to find out what was going on, I found out about NESARA but it wasn't exactly like the plan that was intended.  The plan was getting out of hand and that is one reason that the Galactic Federation announced their intentions in  May, 2005.  However the DOVE is still going her own way (and I'm not even sure she even believes in the spiritual part, because I just feel that she doesn't have the TRUST built up enough).

(But I am very familiar with all the Crime families of the Illuminati and have known about them for quite awhile.  Their days are numbered and they are just grasping at straws and the dark minions that support them are going too.)

But personally, I have never wanted for personal wealth of the world, and have no need for that because living by the 10 principles as made my life secure anyway.  My concern has always that the poor of the world be able to share in the fruit and abundance of the world, that was theirs to begin with.

Last edited by wingflyer (2005-12-31 16:18:40)

hey wingflyer,
I too feel that the money thing is just a tool, and yes, it would be a great plan, we gotta get rid of the greedy mongurs first, that leech onto the politicians, religious leaders, and bankers, corporation monopolies that polluted our mother earth, and poision humans and animals alike..it's a sick and diseased world.
I know that their are other worlds out there, so many that don't need money to live for, they have love and caring, and clans to live with.
We have come to earth for a fast karmic fix, and so perhaps 1000's of timed within our own birth parents over and over again..so we want to get it right, and each of us can do right starting with themselves.
You and I are on the same page, Nesara, is coming when our world wakes up, some people just like their comfort zones, and don't like to be shaken up to realize we have a lot of problems within our sick society, they like to be told what to do, and how to do it, and what drugs to take for what, and what clothes to wear 'cause who know's who is starting a trend..TV is like a sick machine that tells people what to think and what to see, and what to do..that is why the media is a drug, people hang on to every word it tells them...sick mfers...barf!

I agree...awaken please one and all!