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In her last message Helena says :
blah blah .. airforce will shoot us down ... blah ... soon ... more blah
For over ten of your years we have been here ... rest of blah
Now I am wondering. Could it be that they experience time in a different
scale ? Because we are knee deep in our shit, times goes slower ?
So that what is 10 years for us, is 3 months in their experience ?
(which also means that if they say next week it will be about a year from now)
just a question that popped up, and I wanted to share.
that's exactly what I also think. One more reason to be patient and don`t stop believing. What people are doing here is searching for proofs. As far as I remember God said we should BELIEVE and not wait for proofs. Then the so called proofs will be a result of our believes beacues we CREATE with our mind.
Love and peace,
I can't talk for the Federaton but the Grey's I do know about.
Time to the Grey's has no meaning.
Maybe the Federation is the same way with time I don't know.
I have seen a few discussions on this from channelled messages, and yes, time doesn't go the way we see it or feel it, or live it.
And what proof does GOD need to give us? We awake every morning to a new day, the birds sing, the sun shines, the trees go through their seasons and so on..that's the proof we have..GOD never gives the proof we humans ask for in seeing a little ol' bearded man standing in front of you, it's in nature, that's the Almighty proof...
What is time to GOD? Creator/God has been around since the beginning of time. He/She created TIME...
"GOD never gives the proof we humans ask for in seeing a little ol' bearded man standing in front of you,"
"He/She created TIME..."
Good point, Epi, "cause for a moment there I thought you were thinking God was a guy.
Last edited by organic (2005-12-08 12:36:39)
In my understanding which is very limited..God has no gender, or god has both genders...paradox, duality..
Now I have a question for you..whoever reads this and wants to answer..why is it written that angels are male? And they came down to mingle with the females of earth, thinking they were beautiful? Were there any female angels? just been a curiousity that I ponder on from time to time..
Having spent my entire life in organized religion, I just always assumed and believed that God was male. That's what I was taught, especially with the whole Joseph Smith's vision of seeing "God the Father and Jesus Christ". Now that I'm out of the matrix, I no longer believe that lie and the absurdity that goes along with it.
To me you envison whatever you want to envison. So therefore if you believe God is male, then that is what you will see within your mind. We tend to anthropomorpize God so that there is something to give this being substance. But I think it's a disservice to who God really is. I believe God is both male and female having both qualitites within perfect balance. This is not something to be shared on a large scale (or even believed) within the Christain churches. If you don't believe me, try sitting through a typical christian church service on Sunday and wait for the pastor to refer to God with the "she" pronoun instead of the "he" that is always used. It will never happen.
I believe in angels and that they are both male and female.
I believe it is the male dominated world even within Christianity that has spoon fed the idea that God and angels are male. What a shame. I still catch myself saying "he" for God because it's just a habit. Saying "she" sounds weird and saying "it" doesn't work for me.
I'm trying to just say 'Creator" or "the Source".
Last edited by organic (2005-12-08 23:07:50)
As for the subject of Paul's original post, here is my opinion.
The aliens would be and are way more technologically advanced than we are.
They would and do have a better understanding of time than we do.
They would not make a silly mistake such as failing to take the time difference into consideration, assuming they are in another time dimension.
It simply makes more scientific sense to realize that Helena is an imaginary entity just like NESARA.
But keep on dreaming you guys, I and other good people will be here when you finally realize the hoax.
By the way, if you believe Lavar you might as well believe Prophet Yahweh. They are both saying the same things.
As for the god thing...
If aliens created us and planted the human seed on Earth, then the aliens are our creators...our Gods. In turn, they have a creator of whom they might refer to as God, and so on and so on. If our creators send angels to Earth, they might just come in spaceships...and from the light might just be describing the lights of the ships.
As for god being a gender...I sincerely doubt it. No one truly understands who or what God is. Furthermore, those firm in there convictions on who or what God is have no more proof or explanation than another. God could be a green blob of slime the size of a micron, or he could be the constant sum of energy wrapped in the universe. Perhaps God is in charge of our universe whereas infinite God's control infinite quantities of universes.
I personally don't think about God as a judgmental character, but rather as the flow of energy throughout the universe.
"Damn, Donnie, why you always gotta get so heavy all the time, man?" (Donnie Darko)
Tstan said -
"As for god being a gender...I sincerely doubt it. No one truly understands who or what God is. Furthermore, those firm in there convictions on who or what God is have no more proof or explanation than another. God could be a green blob of slime the size of a micron, or he could be the constant sum of energy wrapped in the universe. Perhaps God is in charge of our universe whereas infinite God's control infinite quantities of universes."
You make more sense then I do. This is one area that is very new to me. I'm still figuring this one out and may never understand it and who cares anyway, right? The gender thing definitely isn't going to be a must know for me to evolve along my journey. But it's something I've thought about and come to some conclusions. The mormon church is VERY male dominated with the women having no voice. Maybe my belief in God as both he/she is my way of not having to believe in a male God anymore who has dominated my entire life. Works for me (for now).
Last edited by organic (2005-12-08 23:51:05)
okay, okay, I tell you something you may not believe or like but..........
A little more ten 25 years ago on one of my experiences well, let me just tell you the beginning of the experience.
I'm asleep when I awake within myself I know I am about to have an experience. I lift my head and at the bottom of the bed is one of the shorties, as I call some of them. I think how cute he looks, he is in one of the red suits with a helmet on (not Santa Claus, lol remember they can't breathe our air to much oxygen) anywho I turn my head to my right but my husband is sleeping with his back to me I try to call to him but I know that isn't going to work so I turn back and I look at the Grey that was sent to get me. He communicates to me that we need to go but I tell him (telepathy, I can do it but not when in awakened human form) that I can't go now because I can't wake my husband and I have three little girls now I can't leave them. He communicated that I was not to worry that while I was gone they would be watched over by the Angel's of God.
One point I would like to make is this and I don't think you will take it well but God, Angel's, human's are basically recycled soul's you don't have a gender unless you become human at least this is the way it is with the Grey's.
The Grey's consider Earth there's.
observe50...that explains it...unless you are in the human form you have a gender...thank you..recycled souls are the souls that keep on learning their lessons of the body over and over again, makes sense...so at one point you get to be an angel..
Have you read urantia books, they are very hard for me to get into, but I am able to only read them for a short time..but it sounds like something to what you have said
The grey's consider earth theirs, then they need a reality check..sorry that's not service to others, that is service to self...I guess some grey are and some are not...
Observe50 said -
"One point I would like to make is this and I don't think you will take it well but God, Angel's, human's are basically recycled soul's you don't have a gender unless you become human..."
I still have more "deprogramming" from my years of brainwashing to deal with.
Last edited by organic (2005-12-09 15:58:17)
Epi in a way you a right. I have tried to tell everyone that being human is a priviledge and they should treasure whatever they have weather good or not so good. Life is not what we make of it because you can do everything right and be on the streets or do nothing right and live and be high and mighty but you all know that. What is important with each life is what "YOU" choose to do with it.
As for the Grey's I wouldn't want to live there life it sucks everything is let's say GREY, lol. They are not the best but they are intelligent and you must realize every species has there own way of being and doing things just as we do, just because we may not like it dosn't mean crapola and visa-versa.
I would love it if you were to start another post, outlining your experiences with Greys.
And any others out there who have had genuine contacts. Not "I had a dream and it seemed so real.." but genuine physical body esperiences.
I realize you have done this before in other posts, but I think we all would benefit from this and I certainly am intrigued by the "true" alien heroes....the ones who have been visited or abducted.
All these lunatics around here that cling to channelled messages from some old quack scientist from the Mormon church.....they should realize that the real deal is here all the time in people who have had true life experiences with aliens.
Furthermore, I feel we would benefit from your truths even more because you aren't peddling NESARA or any other religious agenda, you aren't asking for any money, and you seek no "internet popularity".
Please consider this, observe50.
I want to also say that I think Lavar's bogus "Air force must remove their shoot-on-sight policy...."
Why is this bogus?
(1) Aliens would have the ability to out fox us, and to out run any projectile hurled their way. If they can disarm
ICBM's (nukes) as been established by the DSisclosure Project, they can certainly defend themselves
against anything we can throw their way
(2) If they are so threatened by our weapons, why are there sightings of UFO's and Lights always happening
(3) The aliens would simply choose a neutral country with no Air Force to land in. Putting the U.S. at the top of
the list is Lavar's attempt at being the first liason to the Aliens, it is his desire to bring the aliens to Salt Lake
City, where all the Mormons are located. This is the tie in to the Mormon Church that people greatly ignore.
Upon landing in this country, say Sweden, or Iceland or New Zealand...the U.S. wouldn't have time to cover
or discredit a story of this magnitude. There would be video cameras, film crews, personal witnesses, radio
broadcasts, helicopter cameras....it would be SO EASY. For reasons such as this, my only conclusion is that
the aliens are going to do it on their own terms, when they want, and to whom they want. If they wanted to
come here en masse they would have done so already. Lavar is simply trying to pry them from their stance,
assuming they are reading all of this crap from him...becasue I sincerely doubt he is in contact with any
beings other than humans.
I would love it if you were to start another post, outlining your experiences with Greys."
Great idea, Tstan! How about it, observe50? Interested in teaching UFO 101 to people like me who have zero experience in this area? I would trust you because, unlike others out there, you wouldn't be peddling your own agenda. Just good old fashioned sharing of knowledge. How refreshing!
Also your thoughts on Tstan's "Why is this bogus?" is something I've thought about, too, so there's probably others out there pondering the same thoughts.
Pist (observe50 is this you?) If it is, nice post.
Lorraine - Dec 8, 2005 - 10:52:01
Santa checked his list twice and it says your a bad boy. I want you to ask Helena to show us proof, NOW. Ask her to send 50 shuttles over Philadelphia International Airport at 6:00 pm EST on Dec. 12th. With there alien technology they can shut the airport down and yes they can out fly any military aircraft trying to catch them. No more excuses Lavar if the Grey's can do it so can Helena or she shouldn't be in the position she is in. You know you can't do it and will only find excuses. I am calling you on this enough is enough. And for all that may think I am a bad boy or girl and should leave the sight I give a hard smack in the face, aliens don't work this way.
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Last edited by organic (2005-12-09 20:23:53)
"Air force must remove their shoot-on-sight policy" -
I'm ready to blow up Lavar's tape recorder.
tst..my thought on what you mentioned on the above post "Aliens would have the ability to out fox us, and to out run any projectile hurled their way. If they can disarm
ICBM's (nukes) as been established by the DSisclosure Project, they can certainly defend themselves
against anything we can throw their way"
Isn't it true that IF they would (UFO's) defend themselves from US, and IF something went wrong, wouldn't hu-mans blame it all on the aliens, saying that they did harm to us or make it as though it was the aliens fault..also if they come out and showed themselves and we are not prepare, people would actually faint, and some would have heart attacks, there would be accidents just because the population would be so surprised..could you just imagine...shuttle landing, unannounced and people panicking, the army would be out their with weapons, and the weapons wouldn't work, the star people would be saying we come in peace, and things would go hay wire...there would be so much confusion and chaos, it would be something out of a scifi flick, but real..they would have to have the population ready and in the know...that's just my opinion though..
I know you are looking for physical proof and that was why you posted what you did..you want observe50 to post her experiences...which would be very nice, I agree, it would be time consuming too...
Yup you are all right on all accounts.
I will start either later tonight or tomorrow on my experiences.
I think that Lavar's never ending "air force shoot "em down" scenario is just an excuse to hide behind and is getting old. There are other countries out there that are neutral for a space ship landing. As far as the fright thing, I'm sure it would be a surprise, but so what? They've got to show themselves sometime in a big way and people would get used to it. Besides, there are enough sightings worldwide for most people to know that there is other life out there. You have to be living with your head in the sand if you think that amidst this vast universe, of which we are a part, we're the only ones living here. Give me a break. Time to get on with the show.
yes, organic..you do have to be living with your head in the sand if you thought you were the only ones in the universe.. however most people do think they are the only beings in this universe.
I saw the other day, the war of the worlds, a movie my son only wanted me to see since it came out. It was a fear induced movie, I took it for what it was, a movie for entertainment, this is what Americas want. A scary movie that aliens will come and suck the blood from us, and kill off the population. This is the crap since movie making began that has input and brain washed the people. Grey's being scary wide eyed monsters that want to take our eggs and sperm from us, not caring for our wellbeing. In this, I say that most people are scared. I know that I am being shown star ships in my sky in the past 5 months, so that I have a subtle introduction that there are star ships in the sky, but before this, if I saw a space shuttle or mothership and I was driving, I think that I would crash the car. I would be so shocked. Not so long ago when I heard that my husband and sons would see objects moving in the sky at night I and they would tell me I would say oh it's a satalite, or it's only our government in their own UFO's. So now I don't think that way, and plenty more people feel the way I did. I have many friends and relatives that don't believe that aliens can be friendly, and they wouldn't believe that they are trying to help us with our problems here on earth, with pollution and such..I believe this is a part of it and why they don't just land.
I am agreeing with both of you Epiphany and Organic, the expressed fear of the US Air Force seems to be a bit far fetched but then on the other hand can you imagine what the news channels would have to say if the shuttles were to come down and defend themselves against the incoming missiles fired by the jets, maybe jets being shut down in the process, it would turn the people against them and I don’t think that would be to desirable at this point in time, we would have a war of the worlds situation, don’t you agree?
But as mentioned there are other countries where a major display could be staged with cloaked crafts protecting the landing craft. Such great technology shouldn’t have a problem with that.
Yes there is a lot of strangely moving starlight’s in the sky they just need to be coming lower, much lower, how low can they go? Well as the famous Bob Barker always says,
“ Come on down” lets play a game here, so come on down and show thyself. Maybe we can all win in this game.
We can also load on a few passengers when they leave again, people with honorable titles, give them a free ride to the center of the universe where I suspect the universal house of justice is situated. I suppose the big guy in the sky can tell them what justice is all about.
Sorry I haven't gotten to writing about my experiences but I wasn't feeling well over the weekend I will get to it.
First I want to say this, you do have to be aware. There are good beings and bad beings so just don't jump out there and do a welcome thing until you know. As for the Grey's they have been shown as bad but all in all they are not all bad there are some but it is the same way with human's some are good and some are bad.
With the Grey's first off I have told you many times they can not breathe our air to much oxygen in it. They are basically scared of us so this is why they use control and yes I hate to tell you they do take human beings for they are trying to create and new species of us and them and one day they hope that we will accept these beings because they are apart of who we are. They however had a problem with this new species in the blood and with the breathing. You may think this as evil but you really don't understand the way different species do things. We may not like the way they are and they may not like the way we are but this is just the way life in the Universe is.
Last edited by observe50 (2005-12-12 13:35:59)
yes, helmut..I can imagine how it can be IF they land here and the military would freak out..I would Imagine that the weapons wouldn't fire at them, but this is why even lavar who is very repeatious with this, this is why they need the gov to change here so that these orders can be taken back and we should not be hostile..
I ask the star ships especially the one that I have seen for 4 months long at night to come to this field up my road, but they don't hear me, I live in no where land, there would be no one who would know! This is my limited telepathy. I always do ask for the protection of the brotherhood of light before I ask don't want anything to happen that could go wrong.
Observe50..I do realize that there are good grey's and not so good..the service to others and service to self..I once asked you if you have been on zetatalk.com and what you thought of nancy leider, but I don't remember if you were able to reply.
There is good and bad in all, however the circle only has one side, and there really isn't good and bad..perhaps it's love/fear? I don't know I'm not a know it all...I'm just learning..I'm think perhaps the grey's or other spieces on other worlds think the earthlings are pretty much ignorant asses, most of the populous wants self gratification, money, greed and power and on their world they don't understand that concept, we are totally a slow race, perhaps not all our fault. Perhaps...