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Hi Paul,
that's exactly what I also think. One more reason to be patient and don`t stop believing. What people are doing here is searching for proofs. As far as I remember God said we should BELIEVE and not wait for proofs. Then the so called proofs will be a result of our believes beacues we CREATE with our mind.

Love and peace,
Rollef

I have seen a few discussions on this from channelled messages, and yes, time doesn't go the way we see it or feel it, or live it.
And what proof does GOD need to give us? We awake every morning to a new day, the birds sing, the sun shines, the trees go through their seasons and so on..that's the proof we have..GOD never gives the proof we humans ask for in seeing a little ol' bearded man standing in front of you, it's in nature, that's the Almighty proof...
What is time to GOD? Creator/God has been around since the beginning of time. He/She created TIME...

In my understanding which is very limited..God has no gender, or god has both genders...paradox, duality..

Now I have a question for you..whoever reads this and wants to answer..why is it written that angels are male? And they came down to mingle with the females of earth, thinking they were beautiful? Were there any female angels? just been a curiousity that I ponder on from time to time..

As for the subject of Paul's original post, here is my opinion.

The aliens would be and are way more technologically advanced than we are.

They would and do have a better understanding of time than we do.

They would not make a silly mistake such as failing to take the time difference into consideration, assuming they are in another time dimension.

It simply makes more scientific sense to realize that Helena is an imaginary entity just like NESARA.

But keep on dreaming you guys, I and other good people will be here when you finally realize the hoax. 

By the way, if you believe Lavar you might as well believe Prophet Yahweh.  They are both saying the same things.


As for the god thing...

If aliens created us and planted the human seed on Earth, then the aliens are our creators...our Gods.  In turn, they have a creator of whom they might refer to as God, and so on and so on.  If our creators send angels to Earth, they might just come in spaceships...and from the light might just be describing the lights of the ships.

As for god being a gender...I sincerely doubt it.  No one truly understands who or what God is.  Furthermore, those firm in there convictions on who or what God is have no more proof or explanation than another.  God could be a green blob of slime the size of a micron, or he could be the constant sum of energy wrapped in the universe.  Perhaps God is in charge of our universe whereas infinite God's control infinite quantities of universes.

I personally don't think about God as a judgmental character, but rather as the flow of energy throughout the universe.

"Damn, Donnie, why you always gotta get so heavy all the time, man?"  (Donnie Darko)

okay, okay, I tell you something you may not believe or like but..........

A little more ten 25 years ago on one of my experiences well, let me just tell you the beginning of the experience.

I'm asleep  when I awake within myself I know I am about to have an experience. I lift my head and at the bottom of the bed is one of the shorties, as I call some of them. I think how cute he looks, he is in one of the red suits with a helmet on (not Santa Claus, lol remember they can't breathe our air to much oxygen) anywho I turn my head to my right but my husband is sleeping with his back to me I try to call to him but I know that isn't going to work so I turn back and I look at the Grey that was sent to get me. He communicates to me that we need to go but I tell him (telepathy, I can do it but not when in awakened human form) that I can't go now because I can't wake my husband and I have three little girls now I can't leave them. He communicated that I was not to worry that while I was gone they would be watched over by the Angel's of God.

One point I would like to make is this and I don't think you will take it well but God, Angel's, human's are basically recycled soul's you don't have a gender unless you become human at least this is the way it is with the Grey's.

The Grey's consider Earth there's.

Observe50 said -

"One point I would like to make is this and I don't think you will take it well but God, Angel's, human's are basically recycled soul's you don't have a gender unless you become human..."

I still have more "deprogramming" from my years of brainwashing to deal with.

Last edited by organic (2005-12-09 15:58:17)

observe50

I would love it if you were to start another post, outlining your experiences with Greys.

And any others out there who have had genuine contacts.  Not "I had a dream and it seemed so real.." but genuine physical body esperiences.

I realize you have done this before in other posts, but I think we all would benefit from this and I certainly am intrigued by the "true" alien heroes....the ones who have been visited or abducted.

All these lunatics around here that cling to channelled messages from some old quack scientist from the Mormon church.....they should realize that the real deal is here all the time in people who have had true life experiences with aliens.

Furthermore, I feel we would benefit from your truths even more because you aren't peddling NESARA or any other religious agenda, you aren't asking for any money, and you seek no "internet popularity". 

Please consider this, observe50.

I want to also say that I think Lavar's bogus "Air force must remove their shoot-on-sight policy...."

Why is this bogus?

(1)  Aliens would have the ability to out fox us, and to out run any projectile hurled their way.  If they can disarm
       ICBM's (nukes) as been established by the DSisclosure Project, they can certainly defend themselves
       against anything we can throw their way

(2)   If they are so threatened by our weapons, why are there sightings of UFO's and Lights always happening
       anyway?

(3)   The aliens would simply choose a neutral country with no Air Force to land in.  Putting the U.S. at the top of
       the list is Lavar's attempt at being the first liason to the Aliens, it is his desire to bring the aliens to Salt Lake
       City, where all the Mormons are located.  This is the tie in to the Mormon Church that people greatly ignore.
       
        Upon landing in this country, say Sweden, or Iceland or New Zealand...the U.S. wouldn't have time to cover
       or discredit a story of this magnitude.  There would be video cameras, film crews, personal witnesses, radio 
        broadcasts, helicopter cameras....it would be SO EASY.  For reasons such as this, my only conclusion is that
        the aliens are going to do it on their own terms, when they want, and to whom they want.  If they wanted to
        come here en masse they would have done so already.  Lavar is simply trying to pry them from their stance,
        assuming they are reading all of this crap from him...becasue I sincerely doubt he is in contact with any
        beings other than humans.

Pist (observe50 is this you?)  If it is, nice post. 

Lorraine  -   Dec 8, 2005 - 10:52:01
Lavar,
Santa checked his list twice and it says your a bad boy. I want you to ask Helena to show us proof, NOW. Ask her to send 50 shuttles over Philadelphia International Airport at 6:00 pm EST on Dec. 12th. With there alien technology they can shut the airport down and yes they can out fly any military aircraft trying to catch them. No more excuses Lavar if the Grey's can do it so can Helena or she shouldn't be in the position she is in. You know you can't do it and will only find excuses. I am calling you on this enough is enough. And for all that may think I am a bad boy or girl and should leave the sight I give a hard smack in the face, aliens don't work this way.

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Last edited by organic (2005-12-09 20:23:53)

tst..my thought on what you mentioned on the above post "Aliens would have the ability to out fox us, and to out run any projectile hurled their way.  If they can disarm
       ICBM's (nukes) as been established by the DSisclosure Project, they can certainly defend themselves
       against anything we can throw their way"

Isn't it true that IF they would (UFO's) defend themselves from US, and IF something went wrong, wouldn't hu-mans blame it all on the aliens, saying that they did harm to us or make it as though it was the aliens fault..also if they come out and showed themselves and we are not prepare, people would actually faint, and some would have heart attacks, there would be accidents just because the population would be so surprised..could you just imagine...shuttle landing, unannounced and people panicking, the army would be out their with weapons, and the weapons wouldn't work, the star people would be saying we come in peace, and things would go hay wire...there would be so much confusion and chaos, it would be something out of a scifi flick, but real..they would have to have the population ready and in the know...that's just my opinion though..
I know you are looking for physical proof and that was why you posted what you did..you want observe50 to post her experiences...which would be very nice, I agree, it would be time consuming too...

I think that Lavar's never ending "air force shoot "em down" scenario is just an excuse to hide behind and is getting old.  There are other countries out there that are neutral for a space ship landing.  As far as the fright thing, I'm sure it would be a surprise, but so what?  They've got to show themselves sometime in a big way and people would get used to it.  Besides, there are enough sightings worldwide for most people to know that there is other life out there.  You have to be living with your head in the sand if you think that amidst this vast universe, of which we are a part, we're the only ones living here.  Give me a break.  Time to get on with the show.

I am agreeing with both of you Epiphany and Organic, the expressed fear of the US Air Force seems to be a bit far fetched but then on the other hand can you imagine what the news channels would have to say if the shuttles were to come down and defend themselves against the incoming missiles fired by the jets, maybe jets being shut down in the process, it would turn the people against them and I don’t think that would be to desirable at this point in time, we would have a war of the worlds situation, don’t you agree?
But as mentioned there are other countries where a major display could be staged with cloaked crafts protecting the landing craft. Such great technology shouldn’t have a problem with that.
Yes there is a lot of strangely moving starlight’s in the sky they just need to be coming lower, much lower, how low can they go? Well as the famous Bob Barker always says,
“ Come on down” lets play a game here, so come on down and show thyself. Maybe we can all win in this game.
We can also load on a few passengers when they leave again, people with honorable titles, give them a free ride to the center of the universe where I suspect the universal house of justice is situated. I suppose the big guy in the sky can tell them what justice is all about.

yes, helmut..I can imagine how it can be IF they land here and the military would freak out..I would Imagine that the weapons wouldn't fire at them, but this is why even lavar who is very repeatious with this, this is why they need the gov to change here so that these orders can be taken back and we should not be hostile..
I ask the star ships especially the one that I have seen for 4 months long at night to come to this field up my road, but they don't hear me, I live in no where land, there would be no one who would know! This is my limited telepathy. I always do ask for the protection of the brotherhood of light before I ask don't want anything to happen that could go wrong.
Observe50..I do realize that there are good grey's and not so good..the service to others and service to self..I once asked you if you have been on zetatalk.com and what you thought of nancy leider, but I don't remember if you were able to reply.
There is good and bad in all, however the circle only has one side, and there really isn't good and bad..perhaps it's love/fear? I don't know I'm not a know it all...I'm just learning..I'm think perhaps the grey's or other spieces on other worlds think the earthlings are pretty much ignorant asses, most of the populous wants self gratification, money, greed and power and on their world they don't understand that concept, we are totally a slow race, perhaps not all our fault. Perhaps...