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Sunrise asks - Who is Lavar?- "Perhaps those in the know!"

I'm reposting this from 11-23-2005

I only present the facts as Lavar already presents them to the world himself.  For those of you who are unaware, Lavar is also the channeler for Sananda at the nesara int'l site, something he doesn't want people to know.


LAVAR BOLDLY CONTINUES TO PUSH HIS MORMON AGENDA

#1 2005-11-23 14:33:31
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E-mail  Website LAVAR BOLDLY CONTINUES TO PUSH HIS MORMON AGENDAhttp://secondcoming.insights2.org/Sananda11.html

23rd November: It will not be much longer before I shall be with you in the spirit and then later, at a time of my choosing, to be with you in the flesh. I shall be able to use your services when I have gone to Jerusalem and need to send messages back to any of my churches. Hopefully, there will be many that will be inspired by your efforts and those of my dear friend in communicating by telepathy.
As I have stated before it is my desire that there be telepathic persons in all of my churches and in all of the wards and stakes of the church you belong to. Then we shall have the means by which gospel messages can be easily be presented and received throughout the Christian community. Hopefully, there will be many who will study the book that has been given by several of the celestials to our friend and it is expected that the course on telepathy will soon be published and made available.

This is exactly the kind of stuff I’m talking about.  Maybe it’s because I’m an former mormon now, but am I the only one seeing this?

"I shall be able to use your services when I have gone to Jerusalem and need to send messages back to any of my churches." 
More of Lavar's mormon PR crap.

"As I have stated before it is my desire that there be telepathic persons in all of my churches and in all of the wards and stakes of the church you belong to." 
More mormon terminology.  "Ward" is a congregation and "stakes" are groups of wards.

" Hopefully, there will be many who will study the book that has been given by several of the celestials to our friend and it is expected that the course on telepathy will soon be published and made available." 
Lavar's still peddling that mormon telepathy book.

GET A CLUE.  LAVAR HAS HIS OWN AGENDA.  GOD HELP US ALL!

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#2 2005-11-23 14:41:39
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E-mail  Website Re: LAVAR BOLDLY CONTINUES TO PUSH HIS MORMON AGENDAThis is why I blew the whistle and exposed Lavar a month ago on the guestbook.  This is why the almighty Candace Frieze came after me with a four page tongue lashing email.  Lavar is a fraud.  His is unable to separate his telepathic abilities from the mormon church.  To those of you who think I'm a mormon basher, think again.  I only present the facts as they are already presented to the world by Lavar himself.  He is quite ballsy indeed.

Maybe now everyone can see what Lavar has not wanted anyone to know.  This is why his name is not listed on the nesara int'l site as the channeler for Sananda.  HE HAS HIS OWN AGENDA.

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"sotapanno", I have emailed patrick a question that has something to what you have answered "sunrise"
Subject: zion

Hi Patrick,

I hope you have some time to answer this question. I was on a site called http://secondcoming.insights2.org/Sananda10.html..This is what has been said by Sanada Immanuel "and As prophesied I shall be with you in Zion and then I will go to Jerusalem."

Could you perhaps tell me why Sananda Immanuel would refer to zion if zion's meaning is what is causing such chaos since the beginning of jewry, why has Sananda Immanuel referred to this as I will be with you in zion. I thought zion was something that the torah as told by God (supposingly) that the Hebrews should never make a state for themselves because it will only cause hate and destruction amongst them and the people of the middle east, and the world. Zion, in my learning is nothing more than evil that has caused murdering to millions since the 1st destruction of the temple.

Thank you kindly for your wonderful website, and your inspiration.

MH



(Response)

FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: MH
DATE: Nov. 3, 2005
SUBJECT: Reply

Dear MH:

As you may know the Mormons have built a "new Zion" in Utah with headquarters in Salt Lake City, as the New Jerusalem". My interpretation of this quote is that Sananda will go to Utah and deal with the Mormon Church and its evil leadership. Then he will go to Jerusalem, Israel and deal with the evil Zionists, who for many centuries have tried to destroy and kill and control every country they infiltrated. Since the time of Abraham they have tried to destroy the Arabs. They are the Pharisees of old, who again control Jerusalem and, now , Salt Lake City, and by the way, the governments today of Britain and the United States.

The Chosen People of God were the Sumerians of Iraq, and the Promised Land was the Garden of Eden located at the junction of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers in Iraq. The Israelites killed the Sumerians and stole their history many centuries ago and re-wrote it in the Old Testament of the Bible, as if it were their own history. For example, the Moses of the Old Testament is a fake Moses but patterned after the real Moses of the Sumerians. The Israelites were driven out of Egypt because they were thugs and thieves.

The two recent Iraq Wars have been, more importantly, attempts to gain access to the Stargates in Iraq and the Sumerian library of great knowledge and their 5D technology that is hidden in Iraq. Our true history has many surprises. Some of these surprises can be found in some of the Phoenix Journals. The new history books have already been written and will be brought to us by the Star People when they come.

I may not have answered all your questions, but this is a start.

In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer

This was more of a question about zion, I was trying to understand the zion thing..what significance it had to the second coming. I also wonder why sananda immanuel would even go through religious churches at all? When religion is so FIXED and controlled? But then again, when reading the phoenix journal #2..i am immanuel..jesus esu goes to the temples and preaches the WORD, so he will go through religion because it is all so corrupted and messed with through control and money and greed. I am not a mormon, nor have I studied any of the teachings of the mormons, I respect all religions only because of the people that are or where involved. I am not into religion at all personally, been there and done that. Yes, the Hebrew people or Jews would not accept a savior as they didn't 2000 yrs ago, they are expecting a messiah of a different kind. Jesus is not even in their book of prophets, they wiped all mention of him out.

Hi everybody,
what I'm really asking myself is, why people like ORGANIC are reading capricorn-messages or any kind of channelings ! If you don't have the ability of BELIEVING, why do you waste your time here ? If you think LAVAR is such a liar, just stop reading. But I get the impression that it's important for you to make a maximum amount of people stop taking this for serious. Please RESPECT others a little bit more (in 3 and 5 dimensions!).
Do you really think, being a 3-dimesional lifeform, we are able to understand the complexity behind NESARA or all the things that are "disappointing" people like ORGNIC ?! Of course not !
So whatever you get by a channeling, it's adopted the our possibilities or understanding. And of course, some things don't appear to be logic or consequent from our restricted point of view.
The first step you should do, ORGANIC, is to find out more about yourself, get into contact with your soul and your abilities the exceed the possibilities of the "flesh". Maybe then you FEEL the difference !

Change the world with what you think about it, because we're all connected and create in what we believe in.

Greeting in love and light,
Rollef

Sotapanno wrote:

This is where I have learned (and still am learning!) the greatest lesson of Life, and whereupon I try to the best of my ability to base my life on:

Respect. Compassion. Love.

First and formost this is repsect of My Self. For If cannot respect my Self how can I possibly respect anything else. From this point respect must be exteneded to all that is. And I mean ALL. Every human being I know of seeks Respect.

Respect finds its basis in compassion with all that is. To find and express compassion with 'other' is a most difficult lesson for many if not all humans. Compassion does not mean pity, for pity is just compassion heavily clouded with Ego.

Compassion has its basis in Love. Unconditional Love. Love of Self (not the 'little self', which is veiled by Ego), which is in truth the ultimate expression for Love of All That Is. For if I cannot love my Self, and so be completely and totally 'in Love', how can I possibly love other?

Man, I could only dream to write like that...................Beautifully said......N*S

Not to be offensive, but the totality of your last post mirrors posts that have been posted here over and over again...the creating your own reality argument is ever-present around here.  I have heard all of this a million times before.

But althoug we have certain physical powers of creation, we cannot always create our own reality.  We can perceive our reality, we can define our reality, but we cannot create our own reality with the effectiveness that many around here would like to think.

Look at NESARA.  They have been trying to "create" that reality for years now.  And it is not %1 more real today than when it was theorized by Dr. Barnard(and then altered) .

Last edited by tstandamn (2005-12-05 00:52:21)

sotapanno, 

Try this and good luck. 

http://www.ehow.com/how_4031_rid-snails-slugs.html

I like peace.

What I would really like to hear from Lavar is an explanation on why he "unintentionally" misleads over and over again.

I certainly hope the man is not insane, but insanity comes in many, many different packages. 

We have discussed one definition of insanity here before...and it goes something like this..

     Insanity is performing the same action repeatedly yet anticipating different results.

Lavar certainly fits that definition.  Perhaps it might be more fitting to call his "behavior" insane, instead of calling "him" insane.  (Quotes signify emphasis).

Also I would like for him to, as a scientist, respond to the suggestion that the "channellings" he is receiving might be from a terrestrial force such as some mind control branch of the CIA for example.

And finally, I would like to know how Lavar feels about Prophet Yahweh.  It is scary how strikingly similar Lavar and Prophet Yahweh are.


Some examples of the similarities between
Prophet Yahweh and Lavar (Hal, Harmen) :


     (1)  Both believe they are in charge of "first contact"

     (2)  Both claim to receive channelled messages from aliens in UFO ships (Lavar--Helena, Sananda, P.Y.--Yahweh)

     (3)  Both dupe people in with UFO promise, yet have a hidden religious agenda as well. (Lavar--Mormon, P.Y.--Black Israelite Jew)

     (4)  Both make predictions based on channellings that come and pass on a regular basis

     (5)  Both live in Utah (Very odd coincidence....1 in 50 chance)

     (6)  Both are advanced in age, and display charasteristics of insanity (P.Y. has been clinically diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia)

     (7)  Both fail to answer the important questions and focus only on perpetuating their channellings

     (8)  Both have served in the Unites States Military

     (9)  Both do not use their real name, and/or have multiple names (Lavar a.k.a. Hal Fox, Harmen...P.Y. a.k.a. Ramon Watkins, et al)

    (10)  Both claim to eat organically

    (11)  Both use the internet, and seemingly only the internet to reach the public (not very uncommon, thus at the bottom of the list)


That's it for now.

Last edited by tstandamn (2005-12-05 14:51:51)

The only thing I am trying to get across is that these guys are using the same modus operandi, and NESARA groupies support Lavar because they like his NESARA claims, and yet Prophet Yahweh is a joke to them.  To me, they aren't one and the same, but they ARE one and the same in very, very many way.

By the way, categorically denying things one at a time is a lawyer way of dealing with arguments.  You should teach that tactic to some people around here, and maybe they wouldn't be so gullible.  You should use the same tactics to discern Lavars claims over time, and you would find it pretty unreasonable.

And with your "voting" scenario, that would apply if you kept voting knowing that the elections were frauds.  If an election is rigged over and over again, and it is proven to be rigged, it would be an exercise in insanity to keep voting.


And finally, if you knew how much of a joke P.Y. is, then you would probably see my point even more clearly, because I watch the paths of both men (as a hobby) and I find them to be so very similar. 

One difference is that P.Y. has brought the religious aspect to the forefront of his movement, and Lavar continues to hide his Mormonism, and his secret Mormon agenda.

It has been established that Lavar is carrying out missions for the Mormon church, as one of our members, an ex-NESARAN and ex-Mormon has exposed.

(Oh, and P.Y. has nothing to do with NESARA/Sananda, Helena.  His imaginary friends are on a different imaginary ship).

Last edited by tstandamn (2005-12-05 18:29:23)

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http://www.white-knights911.com/Dove/nwsletter.htm

http://www.2012.com.au/updates.html

http://www.fourwinds10.com/

http://www.galacticfriends.com/index.ph … ;Itemid=89

http://educate-yourself.org/mw/index.shtml

http://www.starshipcapricorn.org/

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

http://twolostmoons.com/

http://galacticfriends.com/index.php?op … ;Itemid=57

these are the most often website that i visit, and though u r right (how do u know??)
during the time i have been following this u can see it come to be, our schools and church have told us not to believe in these things, but they never give the real answer either, keep and open mind and watch the skies, it is not for me to convince you , that is for your discernment
search throught these and others there is lot of knowledge out there,  remember this

Your failure to be informed, does not make me a wacko." By John Loeffler.

"Today's nut is tomorrow's oak tree that held its ground." By Plato.                  peace

bostonn said -

"Today's nut is tomorrow's oak tree that held its ground." By Plato.

Cute.  I love it. 

well let's see... you have a choice either to take the blue pill or the red pill..which one shall I take? if I take the blue pill I will see and uncover the illusions that the media feeds me and the AMA, and the Big Pharma, and the school system(his-story) untruths, churches, which I don't part take in religious corporations.governement.....or take the red pill, and stay HERE, and be fed the media crapola, church bullcrap, school lessons, take the drugs the quacks want me to take for any number of reasons to take away the pain, and listen to the quacks that tell you there's no such thing as herbal remedies, they don't work or there is no such thing as other life on other planets (UFOs) or there are no guardian angels that watch over you and guide you (do you believe?)  so that is what I mean, staying here in the matrix and going along with the crap they feed us..so I am dyslexic..so sue me!!!