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Harmen · 2005-12-01 17:56:33

Dear Friends,
I should have computer arrangements made so that the postings of
the information from Helena can be properly posted on the
website. My apologies for the delays. Here is the latest from
Helena:

Communication with Helena, Commander of Capricorn. 1 Dec. 2005
Welcoming Helena.
Helena:
Good morning. It is a stormy day across much of your country
today. However, here our climate is pretty stable. We shall,
however, be pleased to come and experience some of your climate.
The concept of snow is known to us but the feel of snow has not
been a part of our experience for many years.

New topic: We are receiving some telepathic messages from some
of our people that there is, finally, some great changes coming
to your country and will reverberate throughout the planet. Your
new currency is about to be announced is the message that we are
receiving. There will be accompanying changes in government that
will take place, however, that will remain to be worked out. The
important aspect of this change in currency is that it should be
coupled with the announcement of the NESARA program. At least,
it should hasten the announcement of the NESARA program. The
full impact of this announcement are highly controlled and we
shall have to await the announcement that is expected to be made
this evening, or perhaps earlier in the day.

New topic: Much of our planning is, of course, revolving around
the conditions that will allow for us to land peacefully among
you and demonstrate that we are here and that we come in peace.
As I have stated many times, we must have the removal of the
orders to the Air Force to try to shoot us down. That canceling
of an existing order requires a change in your government. We
are not, as yet, sure how that will be accomplished or when. We
are ready, willing, and able (as you would say) to be with you
and to be a part of the greatly-needed effort to clean up Mother
Earth's atmosphere and some of her waters. We are prepared long
ago, to do our part, but we have to be able to be among you
without military interference. That is our message and our
problem. Do you have any questions for me this morning?

Lavar: Dear Helena, we shall be most pleased to welcome you and
your crew. How can we best prepare for your coming to help in
the air and water cleanup?

Helena: Getting the word out about the need for atmospheric
pollution alleviation is one of the topics that you can stress in
your communications. Also, the importance of clean water should
be stressed. Air and water pollution must be reduced and changes
made in how various industries fail to properly treat water and
air emissions. Of course the biggest polluter is your cars and
trucks.

Lavar: Thank you dear Helena. We shall be most interested to
find out more about the new government announcement to see what
that will do to help provide the large amount of funds that are
required for cleaning up the pollution.
*** End of Communication ***

Best personal regards, Lavar

tstandamn · 2005-12-01 18:11:24

Lavar...

I think I have it figured out. You must have a telephone answering machine. One night, someone came in and recorded a message. Now, when the phone rings, the automatic message picks up, and plays this message to you. You must constantly mistake that as a channelling, but I assure you, it is only your telephone's answering machine. That would explain why you give us the same message over, and over, and over, and over again. Or is it just to sucker in the new people?

Turn off the machine. Or stop suckering people. You choose.

successnh · 2005-12-01 23:15:18

Can Helena tell us the status of the Prosperity fund deliveries? Was there another delay? when sall it be expected?

tstandamn · 2005-12-01 23:42:46

I'll answer that one for you.

No, no, and never.

Easy. Find a new fantasy, this one's full.

Patsey1730 · 2005-12-02 01:05:55

tstandamn and organic
Why are you bashing Lavar? If you have no faith, then do not post to this site and go about your business. Your negativity will not deter the true believer because NESARA is REAL and will be announced when the time is right. As you can see from the "news" things are heating up to boiling and we WILL be rid of the liars and warmongers before you know it.

I send love and light to EVERYONE, even you two, as you really need it.

tstandamn · 2005-12-02 01:33:08

Patsey,

Faith is one thing. Ignorance and gullibility are another.

True believers in NESARA must be the most gullible people of them all. Hoping for NESARA is one thing, but believing it is real is another.

And what "news" are you referring to?

Let me ask you one question, which I am sure you will not answer.

When was the last time a Lavar prediction came to fruition?

Oh, one more questoin. How many Lavar predictions have not come true?

Enough said.

And by the way, you have no idea what I or organic needs. But it seems you need a little reality check. We'll be here for YOU when that happens.

Because that will happen before NESARA will. I promise you that.

observe50 · 2005-12-02 02:19:51

Well, Lavar said, Nesara announced today and today again is gone and nothing. Those of us here know that he needs his head examined.

I am quite surprised myself that this man could write the same thing so many different ways. Let's face it month after month which has changed from one year to the next and THE SAME THING. Maybe he should be the speech writer for the Pres. lol.

Snoedel · 2005-12-02 05:40:51

Thank you Harmen !

marja · 2005-12-02 10:15:34

hi harmen and snoedel, nice to see you!!

about nesara, i think it is important to see the whole picture and not just the money.
it has been told that nesara is all about the money but it is much and much bigger.
nesara is about the realisation that we are all connected with each other, we all are one.

love you. marja

tstandamn · 2005-12-02 13:09:58

It doesn't take NESARA to realize that.

Plus, no one is debating the theory of NESARA, just the existence of it.

All that is behind NESARA is a lie, and that is the important fact. If you look at the Unabomber's Manifesto, there is a lot of truth in that as well.

NESARA was never enacted as a law and it never will be. The sooner people realize that, the better off we all will be.

WAhsan · 2005-12-02 15:32:07

I guess that 'gag order' is being taken seriously. Wild Bill

organic · 2005-12-02 16:04:10

Tstan said -

"Plus, no one is debating the theory of NESARA, just the existence of it."

Bingo.

Snoedel · 2005-12-02 19:41:03

The implementing of Nesara can be seen from different angles or dimensions.
in the 3rd dimension nesara doesn`t exist or can be inplemented.(You read about it and can feel the struggle
of Dove and her reports lately.)

As each of us ascends into a higher vibrations there comes a moment when you realize,
that with the power of thought and the help of our star brothers and sisters ,we can make nesara happen.

You don`t have to believe in nesara if you are sceptic or tired of the waiting.. ;>)
If you could only hope for nesara would help a lot.. (or stay neutral)

As more people become fully open and that is happening at this moment(the second wave is on the way, after that the 3rd and more...)the more powerful will be our positive thoughts towards nesara the more the implemantation is coming near.

In this all there`s an important role for one of the universal laws..
Positive energy ( positive intentions and hoping for nesara for example) will double itself..
and will bring nesara much closer.

At the moment there are a lot of people finished with nesara,they don`t know what to believe anymore and
don`t wanna wait longer.Due to this are the channelings and other news about nesara which are coming from different dimensions and each article has to be interpretated in the right energy.That`s very difficult for a lot of people because they are switching between dimensions(during their transformation) often without being totally aware of it..it took me some time to clear this up ... ;>) And then there`s the debunking stuff from parties who are not happy with a nesara break through.This mixing up of the minds of people is just what they want but believe me..

From higher perspectives is and will nesara be implemeted ,right at this moment are a lot of people (Starseeds,Lightworkers) in energy working on this one ,together with our star brothers and sisters ..

And .... we are going in the right ideal nesara direction.... Bush and his fellow Bobo`s are almost exit... :>))
and the parliaments overhere in Europe are changing too.. ;>)

Gea

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tstandamn · 2005-12-02 20:29:33

Finally, a NESARAN willing to admit that in this current reality, NESARA does not exist.

Finally, a NESARAN is admitting that people are trying to "hope" NESARA into reality.

I would be willing to give up my quest to expose NESARA as a hoax and a scam, as soon as the liars are willing to admit that they have lied.

Lying to people to get them to believe something is bad...very bad. And inexcusable. Lying about NESARA and events concerning NESARA is just as bad as lying to a country to gain support for a war. Bad.

So you will get my positive energy towards NESARA when the true NESARA movement individuals who have lied come clean and admit their lies.

Until that point, all the Lightworkers, Starseed work, etc... will fall upon deaf ears.

I will never support NESARA until the liars expose themselves. Then you will find a supporter with the most positive energy possible...myself.

A true movement, from the heart, and from the heart of positive energy needs no lies. Needs no false predictions. Needs only the steam gathered from the honesty and integrity of the message, and the action of the people who believe in it. That is where positive things will emanate, and not in some imaginary dimension in between 3 and 5d.

That's it.

Snoedel · 2005-12-02 20:54:58

"So you will get my positive energy towards NESARA when the true NESARA movement individuals who have lied come clean and admit their lies."

Under these conditions I don`t want to get your positive energy for nesara.You `re trying to play a game: if you/they do that then I will.. is very manipulating .

Not all individuals have been lying.. they where acting on their personal level of conciouness..
and we all grow through different levels .. so a lot of Nesaran do and did.. they don`t have to clean and admit.
They where believing and hoping for nesara on the highest level of conciouness they could reach at the moment with the right intentions.

As I said Nesara is playing out in different dimensions..

The debunkers with the wrong intentions is another story I believe.
They have to carry the consequences of their debunking.. and karma is very fast these days.. ;>)

tstandamn · 2005-12-02 21:11:08

Trust me, I play no games. It doesn't get any simpler than this.

In this dimension, the leaders of NESARA have told lies, and many of them.

The WTC was not brought down to stop the announcement of NESARA.

NESARA wasn't secretly passed by the government.

The Navy Seals are not secretly in charge of enforcing the gag order.

The prosperity funds aren't in the VIP's hands, there was no fingerprinting, etc...

THESE ARE LIES TOLD ABOUT THIS DIMENSION, IN THIS DIMENSION.

So don't you play games with me.

And again, the intentions do not matter if they are based on LIES. DO NOT DENY THIS FACT...THEY HAVE ALL LIED. YOU CANNOT RUN FROM THIS TRUTH, SO DEAL WITH IT.

You obviously are willing to look past the LIES (NEGATIVE KARMA) and you want to blame the debunkers (TRUTHSEEKERS)...well, in the end it is the KARMA of the lie spreaders that is in question.

And you have no say where my positive energy goes. Talk about manipulating...what are the NESARA liars doing? That, my friend, is manipulation. Look it up.

This imaginary "dimesnion of NESARA" is ensuring that all of you otherwise good people do absolutely nothing to effect the only reality there is...this one.

Snoedel · 2005-12-02 21:25:23

Yup.. that`s YOUR dimension.. not mine...

organic · 2005-12-02 21:41:18

I spent 3 years in the la la land dimension with nesara. Thank god I'm in the real world now.

Snoedel · 2005-12-02 21:57:47

good for you ! :>))

organic · 2005-12-02 23:05:53

"As each of us ascends into a higher vibrations there comes a moment when you realize,
that with the power of thought and the help of our star brothers and sisters ,we can make nesara happen."

Snoedel,

We can also change this world WITHOUT nesara happening. Why is everyone waiting for nesara and using it as an excuse to better this world? I know all about nesara. In theory the humanitarian part alone is great. But we already have the power within ourselves to CREATE great change toward a better world. Nesara is a distraction to keep people waiting for the money or god knows what else in an attempt to rescue this world from all its problems. Give me a break. We are better then this. Nesara keeps people WAITING instead of DOING.

epiphany · 2005-12-03 04:28:44

organic... can you pls if it's not too much trouble elaborate for me what you meant by:"For 3 years I gave of my physical, mental and emotional all to sharing what I truly believed with all my heart was the truth about nesara's existence. Now I KNOW the real truth and nesara isn't real. My world crashed, but I'm still standing." also you said "Having worked on a project with him, I learned he is also very scatter brained." You mentioned you worked with him? What happened are you able to write about it if it's not too private? Thanx for sharing..I really would like to know if Lavar is full of it?

I agree that Nesara is a distraction we should be in the doing rather than wait for it to happen. When I 1st heard about nesara about a yr ago, I thought why is spirit so entwined with money when money is the root to all evil, so in my thinking I came to the conclusion that IF these shackels of spending your time making money were taken off we would have more time for volunteering our time to helping others in need, then this would be the testing? However NOW is the testing, now when I have no money for anything extra than paying my bills, and some money left over for food. SO how can I help others, when I have 4 kids that always need help, and a grandson that I take care of while his mom works for mininum wage and I don't get financial help. All I can do is smile and say my cup is half full and I am the light of this world, and spread joy where I go? Who needs money to be happy? There are so many people in this world that need help and they are hungry and their health is ailing, health is more important than wealth, so I will not go on and complain any longer, all I am saying is yes, we are the messiahs that we all have been waiting for, not Nesara, Nesara is just a tool, a thought, when it come to it's fruitation we will all be there to welcome it.

shaq786 · 2005-12-03 04:34:03

NESARA is a waste of time. Dove is lying, Lavar is lying, Bellringer is always wrong, Jennifer Lee and the A&A are full of it who just want to make a buck, Sheldon Niddle thinks he can fool people with fairytales, need I say more?

For accurate information on NESARA...please click here http://www.rickross.com/groups/dove.html

organic · 2005-12-03 05:15:25

Epi,
I've already reposted a lot for sunrise in his /her "who is Lavar" post. Other stuff is not worth my time to share on this forum anymore, although I have emailed a few who were interested.

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epiphany · 2005-12-03 05:42:54

organic, thank you I did read who is lavar post before I wrote you on this one...I see that is why the connection from the nesara site second coming, and this site goes hand and hand..ever since you sent me on that site back in the begining of nov I have been checking it and it sounded so similar as if any day now, sanada would be coming..between the capricorn site and the second coming .like this recent one on dec 2nd any day now we will land like close encounters...so candace got pissed at you for confronting her...thanks for letting me know...

Snoedel · 2005-12-03 08:05:43

Yup organic..

We ARE nesara

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